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Roy Martin:
Thanks again Mark for your time.
Well the one thing I know is I must not be in spirit as Ray says because it's just a bunch of circles to me the more I try to see it.
Dear Chad:
Sin is sin regardless of whether "God controls everything," or God
controls nothing. Sin is lawlessness, missing the mark, coming short
of the glory of God, etc. God never ever does any of these things. Men
do. God made men so that they would "miss the mark," "fall short," and
be "lawless." It is not a sin for God to have made man so weak as to
prevent him from having the power to resist sin. There is a great purpose
for God creating man so that he cannot overcome the lusts of his carnal
weak mind, which God created. For the details, read the rest of our site.
When I read this I see that God created everything in us. Its like He built a house with a weak structure, all the plumbing and electrical, except the house provides its own water or electricity. This just seems impossible. If you build a car, you put all the parts in it to do the things you want it to do. God made us weak, and carnal, and we had to add other parts of which we know not how or where or when we did it.
Man oh man I want to see this, but its not going to happen unless God shows it to me, because man isn't coming anywhere close; only more confusing. I'm sorry for bothering anyone or taking your time. This obviously is between God and me.
Peace
Roy
Roy Martin:
Arcturus, thank you for you reply.
I know that regardless of my lack of understanding, it will all come out good eventually. As for now I just have to except that God doesn't want me to know what I seek for His own good reason. He has already shown me some wonderful truths and gave me much more understanding than I ever use to have back in Babylon. All in Gods time.
Thanks everyone.
Roy
I got everything I read in all of Rays writings, and scriptures, but this one thing has twisted me since I read it. I don't know why it seems so important to me or even matters, but it does, and I can feel it in my heart, and it gnaws at me daily.
To say that God didn't put everything in us is hard to swallow or even believe. I'm not saying I don't believe; its just hard to believe.
Insert Quote
For it is GOD which works in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure (Phil. 2:13).
"The preparations of the heart in man, and the answer of the tongue, IS FROM THE LORD" (Prov. 16:1). [Regardless of the proper translation of the first half of this verse, the second half is emphatically] "…FROM THE LORD."
"O Lord, I know that the way of man is NOT IN HIMSELF [not in his will or choice] it is not in man that walks to direct his steps [he is not ‘free’ to choice where he will walk]" (Jer. 10:23).
"Man’s goings [steps] are OF THE LORD; how can a man then understand his own way?" (Prov. 20:24).
These scriptures makes a lot of sense to me and seems to be where I am right now.
Deborah-Leigh:
Roy
Only God can give you the desire to understand Him, and only He can fulfil that desire.
God is entirely responsible. As for making us accountable if God did not make us accountable, we could never know or come to experience our deep need for His Mercy and we could never comprehend our dependence on Him for His fathomless Love.
Arc
Kat:
Hi Roy,
Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things that are not yet done,
Saying, "My counsel shall stand,
And I will do all My pleasure,'
If God knows the "the end" then He knows everything that will happen in between from beginning to end. That is why God is sovereign, He is the all powerful Being that is now and will always be sustaining all of this. Now He created all the physical things that we have, so that we can have this experience of life. As we go through this life each and every one of us have a unique experience and yes it is all caused by God (He is sustaining it all), to make us into individual beings. Now some might say then we are just robots, I think not, since we live out all the things we think, say and do, with all the emotions involved, this is creating a personality unique to each individual. Ultimately He will finish His work in us to have a big family of all these varied individual that can communicate with each other, go about experiencing different things with all these different people. Then throw in the angels and we have a whole other experience too. I can just imagine this going on without end and never getting bored with it.
That is just my simple way of looking at this, maybe it will help you a bit.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Roy Martin:
Kat, that's exactly how I'm thinking I should look at it too; that all is of God, everything, not just parts of this and that which is just too hard to swallow.
The point is we can't have one without the other, and it all comes from God. He said He created all things and saw that it was good. I'm sticking with that for now.
Thank you. Yes it helped me very much.
Roy
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