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G. Driggs:
--- Quote from: Kat on December 26, 2009, 10:33:37 AM ---
And so we pray that God should not lead us into temptation, but rather DELIVER US FROM THE EVIL ONE [Satan] WHO DOES LEAD US INTO TEMPTATION.
But notice again, we pray that we should be "DELIVERED." We cannot be 'delivered' from something UNLESS WE ARE ALREADY IN IT! God intends that we get "IN IT"--trials and temptations, which are GOOD FOR US, AFTER we have gone through them.
The longer we live the Christian walk, the better we should get at this. Hence Paul tells us,
"For if we would JUDGE OURSELVES, we should not be judged" (I Cor. 11:31).
The MORE we 'judge ourselves' the LESS we are "lead into temptation." We learn to cut it off at the pass, as they say. It is by God's divine counsel that we are led into temptation (even if God never DIRECTLY tries or tempts us), and it is by God's divine counsel that He delivers us from the "evil one."
Hope that helps a little.
God be with you,
Ray
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This is very encouraging! It really explains a lot going on right now. Never really understood this, until now. Was beginning to get a bit weary of all the trials lately, but now that I understand God intends it to be this way, it gives me a little more faith and courage to face each day. I really thought I was doing something wrong, or maybe there were so many things tempting and trying me that there was something I was not doing right. Considered giving up a few times, but God had different plans. These trials are so strong, but thank God Jesus overcame, so in turn we could overcome also.
Does this verse have anything to do with what Ray is talking about? If so, then it makes a lot more sense.
1Pe 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:
1Pe 4:13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.
Thank you all and thank God for such a good topic.
G. Driggs
Roy Martin:
Thank all of you for responding to this thread of which has been very beneficial to my understanding. I hope that it has helped others as well. I realize this topic has been brought up many times, but its still all good to me. Thank you and God bless.
Roy
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello G Driggs
Yes that has everything to do with it :D
Here are some witnesses to the Scriptures you have posted.
Luk 22:28 YOU are those who have continued with Me in My trials. 8)
2Th 1:4 so much so that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God, for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations which you endure.
Act 14:22 confirming the souls of the disciples, calling on them to continue in the faith and that through much tribulation we must enter into the kingdom of God.
Roy
--- Quote ---I realize this topic has been brought up many times….
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Those of us who love the Word of God should never tire of speaking about Him even if the same question appears OVER AND OVER AGAIN!. :)
Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments, and His ways past finding out!
Rom 11:34 For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who became His counselor?
Rom 11:35 Or who first gave to Him, and it will be repaid to him?
Rom 11:36 For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things; to Him be glory forever! Amen.
Arc
LiberatedEagle:
Glory be to God for this thread.
Prior to reading this thread I sent a pm to one of the mods regarding the same subject of accountability. It gives me peace to know that I'm not the only one wrestling with this subject. Roy, you relayed my thoughts precisely. Waiting, hoping, believing and trusting to be converted into a child of God is so hard when you are constantly committing sin everyday. Sometimes I wrestle with the thought of being a vessel of dishonor, but then I consider the truths God has revealed to me here. Would God reveal these truths to me and I understand and receive them, but still not be a vessel for Him? Am I in err to think it impossible for God's chosen to reject Him and not become a saint in the Kingdom of God?
Charles
P.S. Thanks Roy for posting what God laid on your heart
aqrinc:
When we get right down to where the rubber meets the Faith, we are all in error. Humanity thinks we know what we need to fix us (human wisdom). GOD Says the (human wisdom) of this entire world is Foolishness to Him, yet we persist in our wise choices of what we think GOD can or cannot do. When in doubt, check this out, go find the Scripture that addresses the doubt then eat it up (not literally) but in a symbolic way.
One thing to note; humanity is not the object of GOD'S Displeasure and to be destroyed, but the things we are subject to are. First though; we are going through this life to learn about those things and how to deal with them like Jesus Christ Has Done.
Isa 29:16 (ASV)
Ye turn things upside down! Shall the potter be esteemed as clay; that the thing made should say of him that made it, He made me not; or the thing formed say of him that formed it, He hath no understanding?
Isa 29:17-24 (BBE)
17 In a very short time Lebanon will become a fertile field, and the fertile field will seem like a wood.
18 And in that day those whose ears are stopped will be hearing the words of the book; and the eyes of the blind will see through the mist and the dark.
19 And the poor will have their joy in the Lord increased, and those in need will be glad in the Holy One of Israel.
20 For the cruel one has come to nothing; and those who make sport of the Lord are gone; and those who are watching to do evil are cut off:
21 Who give help to a man in a wrong cause, and who put a net for the feet of him who gives decisions in the public place, taking away a man's right without cause.
22 For this reason the Lord, the saviour of Abraham, says about the family of Jacob, Jacob will not now be put to shame, or his face be clouded with fear.
23 But when they, the children of Jacob, see the work of my hands among them, they will give honour to my name; yes, they will give honour to the Holy One of Jacob, and go in fear of the God of Israel.
24 Those whose hearts were turned away from him will get knowledge, and those who made an outcry against him will give attention to his teaching.
To arrive at that verse 24 point here are a few of the things GOD In HIS Wisdom (The Good Wisdom) has set in motion for us.
Ecc 1:13 (CLV)
I applied my heart to inquiring and exploring by wisdom concerning all that is done under the heavens:it is an experience of evil Elohim has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it.
Rom 9:19 (TCNT)
19 Perhaps you will say to me-'How can any one still be blamed? For who withstands his purpose?'
20 I might rather ask 'Who are you who are arguing with God?' Does a thing which a man has molded say to him who has molded it 'Why did you make me like this?'
21 Has not the potter absolute power over his clay, so that out of the same lump he makes one thing for better, and another for common, use?
22 And what if God, intending to reveal his displeasure and make his power known, bore most patiently with the objects of his displeasure, though they were fit only to be destroyed,
23 So as to make known his surpassing glory in dealing with the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared beforehand for glory,
24 And whom he called-even us-Not only from among the Jews but from among the Gentiles also!
25 This, indeed, is what he says in the Book of Hosea-'I will call those my People who were not my People, and her my beloved who was not beloved.
26 And in the very place where it was said to them-"Ye are not my People", they shall be called Sons of the Living God.'
Act 14:19-22 (MKJV)
19 And Jews from Antioch and Iconium came there, who, having persuaded the people, and having stoned Paul, they drew him out of the city, supposing him to have died.
20 But the disciples surrounding him, he rose up and came into the city. And the next day he departed with Barnabas to Derbe.
21 And preaching the gospel to that city, and having made many disciples, they returned to Lystra and Iconium and Antioch,
22 confirming the souls of the disciples, calling on them to continue in the faith and that through much tribulation we must enter into the kingdom of God.
george. :)
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