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Snatch them from fire?
emkayfey:
Yet others be saving, snatching them out of the fire, yet to others be merciful with fear, hating even the tunic spotted by the flesh. (Jude 1:23 Concordant)
And some in fear save ye, out of the fire snatching, hating even the coat from the flesh spotted.(Jud 1:23 YLT)
And, on some, indeed, have mercy,--such as are in doubt, be saving, out of the fire, snatching them;(Jud 1:22 Rotherdam)
I learnt a great deal from Oatmeals Lake of fire post...great.
I have this question from the above scriptures;Can we save any out of fire? even if not literal, my emphasis are on on the words 'save' and 'from' or 'out of fire' even if as a form of judgement. Thanks.
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello emkayfey
Marques posted an excellent reminder of the reason why we should prefer Judgment now and not later.
You ask :
--- Quote ---Can we save any out of fire? even if not literal, my emphasis are on on the words 'save' and 'from' or 'out of fire' even if as a form of judgement.
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Judgment is fire. Everyone shall be judged.
Hos 8:14 For Israel has forgotten his Maker, and builds temples. And Judah has multiplied cities. But I will send a fire on his cities, and it shall burn up her palaces.
Heb 12:29 for also, "Our God is a consuming fire."
1Co 3:15 If anyone's work shall be burned up, he shall suffer loss. But he shall be saved, yet so as by fire.
Arc
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: emkayfey on January 01, 2010, 04:28:30 AM ---I have this question from the above scriptures;Can we save any out of fire? even if not literal, my emphasis are on on the words 'save' and 'from' or 'out of fire' even if as a form of judgement. Thanks.
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Hello Emkayfey,
No, we do not need to save anyone from judgment fire, Jude is not talking about that kind of fire. Jude uses the metaphor of 'fire' as speaking of danger, not righteous judgment fire. To save [Gk. 'sozo'] means 'to save, keep safe and sound, to rescue from danger or destruction'. Jude is speaking of 2 different forms of convincing others of the gospel.
Jude 1:21-22 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. And of some have compassion, making a difference:
Here, Jude speaks of convincing some through compassion & mercy. This word 'difference' [Gk. diakrino #G1252] means to 'judge, discern, to try, decide'. It is the same 'diakrino' we are to do, to ourselves, that Paul teaches about:
1 Cor 11:31 For if we would judge ['diakrino'] ourselves, we should not be judged
Here Jude speaks of another, more forceful method of convincing others:
Jude 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
Spotted or unclean garments is always symbolic of unrighteousness. This method is essentially speaking of convincing others to follow the Lord by rebuking them of their ungodly ways.
For example, think of the contrasting ways that Paul spoke to the churches. Paul was more 'forceful', if you will, with the church of Corinth for their attitude of following one apostle over another [1 Cor 3]. But to the church of Thessalonians [1 Thess] Paul was more compassionate and really edifying the church to continue in their walk with the Lord.
Another, more modern example, would be Ray's email replies. To those who write and are genuinely seeking understanding of God and His Word, Ray shows more patience & compassion. When others seek to 'rebuke' or discredit his teachings, Ray calls them out for their unrighteous attitude.
Hope this helps,
Marques
Kat:
Hi Emkayfey,
Jude 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
v. 23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
Marques brought out the word "difference." This seems to be saying that we can make a difference to someone, we do that here at the forum with encouragement or showing patience in explaining something to those that come here for answers. It's not that WE "save" them, but when the Spirit of God is working through us, then we can be an instrument in His hands. God wants us to recognize the working of the Spirit in us, and for us to "yield" ourselves unto Him.
Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
It's always God that does the good works in us, but He wants us to see that through the working of the Spirit in us that we can make a difference to someone.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
emkayfey:
Thank you Marques and Kat for your explanations...goes a long way to explain what Jude might be talking about, I am still thinking about his choice of words e.g from fire, I believe we could still explore this further.
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