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Kat:
Hi Arcturus,
I too have come across posts that I could see I was much more immature in my understanding than now. So for the sake of those who may read something I have posted in the pass, I too edit as needed to get it in line with the Scriptures and Ray's teaching. It is quite revealing to see this and realize we grow so much in our understanding over time. I fully trust that He will continue to bring me/us into line with truth, according to His timetable.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Amrhrasach:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on January 04, 2010, 06:13:18 AM --- I am glad you noticed this too Stacey!
Being humble is NOT as Christendom falsely believes and erroneously teaches.
True humbleness of spirit is KNOWING we do not have freedom of will or choice. If we BELIEVE that free-will is a myth, then we cannot help but be humbled before our All Powerful, All Loving, All Wise God and Father.
Every effort at being humble without believing that there is no such thing as free will, is just lip service and pretense, showmanship, hypocrisy, insincerity, double standards, duplicity, two-facedness, charade, sham, make-believe, deceit, deception, simulation, mock-up and cheap imitation…...Don’t you just love words! :D
We have preferences yes, but no freedom of choice.
Arc
--- End quote ---
Hi Arcturus, and all. I’m not sure how much I love those words since they’re pretty much “in my face”. ;)
Becoming, at a snails pace, more clearly to me…………now………….knowing and believing we don’t have a free-will has been a heart and mind grating experience, for me. I don’t know why it has been, and continues to be such a struggle. Sometimes I feel rather stupid since quite a few seemed to have just grasped it like magic. Well not them by themselves, of course, but God’s gift rather. How so very blessed are they, truly. I envy. Nonetheless, it makes me feel comforted to know even Ray stated, somewhere, that even HE had to think about it a few hundred hours (can’t remember the paper or the email, I think it might have been a reply to “Beth”). So, if it took Ray a few hundred hours to cement it down to a solid then I suppose I should not be so dis-enchanted with the process that we all go through. And it is a process, at least for me, a multi-leveled process apparently, ie: read the “myth” of free-will by Ray, think on it for a while, argue in my mind about how silly it could possibly be that I’m not my own captain, re-read “myth of free-will” (several more times), argue steadily with my “logic” about how it just can’t be that God controls EVERYTHING, re-read again, ask God to give this “strawman” a brain to have thinking ability, give up, swear off Ray’s teachings…….forever……….., tool around with the idea I’m a “vessel of dishonor”, wonder when it was exactly that my mother and Satan got together and spawned this sinister child, go back to reading Rays teachings, give up yet again but this time somehow sense that God will see it through what he has started, begin to question God’s love, read more of Ray’s teachings, begin to question if I should “trust” God and let go of the phantom controls, look up the word “sovereign” in the dictionary, realize how stupid that argument really is, give up yet again but this time with a newness of mind that I will “get it” at the PRECISE moment that God allows such a magnificent feat. That’s where I am now. Never in my life have I felt so stiff-necked and seen myself so rebellious a child. For now I’m still deep, deep in the muck-filled trenches. I pray there’s no end to God’s patience.
Psa 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and a contrite heart, O God, You will not despise.
For me, I will gladly give up this: “lip service and pretense, showmanship, hypocrisy, insincerity, double standards, duplicity, two-facedness, charade, sham, make-believe, deceit, deception, simulation, mock-up and cheap imitation”
For this: “True humbleness of spirit”..
In such a quest it truly is inspiring and heart melting to be in the forum and know others have, and are, going through the same processes so that we can all help one another.
Gary
lauriellen:
gary, i was reading your post and thought "he is talking about me".....i have the same struggle.....trying to wrap my mind around and accept that God DOES control EVERYTHING.....i too wrestle with the thought that i must be a vessel of DIS-honor.....i feel like the pendulum on a clock, swinging from one extreme to the other(hope-dispair, strength-give up, ect).....but i keep coming accross these little scriptures that keep talking about "waiting" on the Lord...i never really knew what that means, but i am beginning to get a glimpse....when i can sit down and STOP trying to understand and reason out these things myself, i tell God i just don't get it... i tell Him you just have to do it for me.....i am learning to wait.....and i have noticed little baby steps of understanding.....my personality is more like Jacob (i think) who grabbed ahold of God and tried to wrestly out of Him what he wanted and refused to let go until he got it(i want it NOW!lol).... i am learning to trust God to give me what i need when i need it.... i have to learn to wait patiently... and in His time, He will lead us into His knowledge and understanding....we are all in training, it is a process that will last our whole life, i think....maybe that is why Paul said that he "fought the good fight"......that is what it feels like to me, too, a fight or struggle...mostly with myself! ;) .....(i wonder who will win? me or me? lol)
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Kathy
--- Quote ---…….”I could see I was much more immature in my understanding than now….”
--- End quote ---
I too have the experience of immaturity. I am so grateful that the teachings of God through Ray, have kept us well fed and nurtured in His Truth. I think we are learning to take our first steps right here in the BT Forum.
At first, we all crawl. :D
Excerpt from PHYSICAL or SPIRITUAL RESURRECTION BODIES FOR THE WICKED & NON-BELIEVERS?
……the exact and precise definition of the word “resurrection.” It means to “stand up” upon one’s feet, but the word itself has nothing to do with being “spiritual” or “immortal” whatsoever.
God makes us stand. 8)
Arc
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Gary
--- Quote --- I’m not sure how much I love those words since they’re pretty much “in my face”.”
--- End quote ---
You have an adorable sense of humor!
--- Quote --- I don’t know why it has been, and continues to be such a struggle.
--- End quote ---
Count yourself blessed, favored and with God’s great mercy upon you that you are in such a struggle! What we have does not come easy. You may be under a false assumption that those who appear to have “grasped it like magic” have not had to bear the heat of the day or it is easier for them. No Gary.
Those who come to the Lord’s vineyard have come off from the streets standing doing nothing and not struggling for anything worthwhile.
Just as if you are laboring in the Lord’s vineyard from early in the morning or from the third sixth or eleventh hour, it is better than bearing the burden of idle redundancy in the jobless yard in the heat of the day on the street! :)
Arc
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