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Deborah-Leigh:
I don't know about the global warming. I am seeing global freezing ;D ;D
As for check check check...well....welcome to studying the Word of God....that's the way to go :)
Arc
aqrinc:
Lot of Messages on or about our thoughts, these are closest i see, but no match to for that particular phrase.
Gen 6:5 (CLV)
And seeing is Yahweh Elohim that much is the evil of humanity in the earth, and every form of the devices of its heart is but evil all its days.
Pro 20:27 (CEV)
Our inner thoughts are a lamp from the LORD, and they search our hearts. (Only one i find even close)
Pro 24:12
Don't say, "I didn't know it!" God can read your mind. He watches each of us and knows our thoughts. And God will pay us back for what we do.
Rom 12:3 (Murdock)
And, by the grace given to me, I say to you all: Do not carry thoughts, beyond what ye ought to think; but think with modesty, as God hath distributed to each one his measure of faith.
1Co 14:20
My brethren, be ye not children in your thoughts; but to evil things be ye infants; and in your thoughts be men.
Php 4:8
Finally, my brethren, what things are true, and what things are decorous, and what things are right, and what things are pure, and what things are lovely, and what things are commendable, and deeds of praise and approbation, on these be your thoughts.
Jer 18:12 (LITV)
And they say, It is hopeless. For we will walk after our own thoughts, and we will each one do according to the stubbornness of his evil heart.
george. :)
Roy Martin:
I don't know of a verse either with that exact phrase but we have this;
The preparations of the heart in man, and the answer of the tongue, IS FROM THE LORD" (Prov. 16:1). [Regardless of the proper translation of the first half of this verse, the second half is emphatically] "…FROM THE LORD."
"O Lord, I know that the way of man is NOT IN HIMSELF [not in his will or choice] it is not in man that walks to direct his steps [he is not ‘free’ to choice where he will walk]" (Jer. 10:23).
"Man’s goings [steps] are OF THE LORD; how can a man then understand his own way?" (Prov. 20:24).
It seems that free thought would be the same as free will, or at least it seems that you can't have no free will and have free thought.
Roy
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Silvia Martin on January 08, 2010, 07:03:59 AM ---Sounds easy enough, but what about that scripture that says" not even our thoughts are our own" ?
Silvia
--- End quote ---
No Silvia, there are no scriptures which state our 'thoughts' are not our own. The scriptures do testify that our steps are directed by God [Prov 16:9].
Our thoughts are our own but are dictated by our heart [Matt 15:19, Mark 7:21]. God intentionally made our hearts spiritually weak [Jer 17:9, Deut 5:29, Rom 8:20] to give us an understanding to rely on Him fully. Without being made as spiritually weak as we are, we would never appreciate nor understand why we should trust in the Lord with all our heart and lean not on our understandings [Prov 3:5].
Excerpt from Lake of Fire series Part 15-A (http://bible-truths.com/lake15.html):
IT ALL STARTS WITH THE HEART
ALL have sinned because it takes SPIRITUAL POWER not to sin. And God did not give our first parents that kind of spiritual power. They were spiritually weak as water.
We read in Jer. 17:9:
"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?"
We know from Scripture that God "…creates EVIL…" (Isa. 45:7), but did He also create man’s heart in a "desperately wicked" state? No, He did not. God did not FORCE upon man, at creation, a "desperately WICKED" heart. Let’s read this verse from the Jewish Publication Society,
"The heart is deceitful above all things, And it is EXCEEDING WEAK—who can know it."
God did not create man’s heart "desperately wicked" as the KJV suggest, but rather He did create the human heart, "exceeding WEAK."
The seat of emotions and desires is the HEART. And God made the heart "exceeding WEAK." Man did not sin because he "freely willed" to sin, but because his heart was so exceedingly WEAK. That is why it takes next to nothing to persuade the heart of man to DESIRE SIN.
Jesus Christ Himself taught us that EVIL THOUGHTS, MURDERS, BLASPHEMIES, ADULTERIES, etc., all start, begin, originate, proceed, out from THE HEART.
Once the heart senses a feeling or emotion, it begins to desire something. These very thoughts of desire emanate out from the heart, seeking fulfillment. At this point in the process the will is manifested. It now becomes the driving force within you to accomplish the thoughts and emotions of the heart. The will is not the original instigator in this chain of events; it is not even the second in line, but rather the third.
* The will of man has no power until first his heart DESIRES,
* Second these desires are formed into actual THOUGHTS,
* Then at this third stage the will purposes to find fulfillment for all that is coming out of the heart.
The heart played a huge role in Adam’s decision to also partake of the forbidden fruit. In I Tim. 2:14 we read this:
"And Adam was NOT deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."
Why did Adam sin if he was NOT deceived as his wife was? Again, the answer goes back to THE HEART.
Adam LOVED his wife dearly. He never wanted to be separated from her. But he knew that the wages of eating the forbidden tree was to be death. But did he fully comprehend all that death entailed? Probably not. But whatever the penalty would be or how it would be carried out, Adam knew that he did not want to be separated from his wife. Notice what He said to God:
"And the man said, The woman whom you gave to be WITH ME, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat." (Gen. 3:12).
Isn’t that interesting. Adam did not say: "The woman whom you gave TO ME." Or, "The woman whom you gave FOR ME." But rather, "The woman whom you gave to be WITH ME." Adam reminded God that He created Eve to be ‘WITH’ him, not apart from him. And if Adam had obeyed God, whereas his wife did not, he feared being SEPARATED from Eve. And so he also ate of the fruit and sinned, not because he was deceived as Eve was, but because he loved her in his heart so much that he couldn’t bear the thought of not being "WITH" her.
And so, did Adam "freely" WITHOUT A CAUSE choose to eat the forbidden fruit? What nonsense. Adam had the BIGGEST REASON in the world that CAUSED him to sin and remain with his wife!
So if you are looking for "free" will in the Garden at the time of our first parents' creation, forget it, 'cause it ain’t there!
Hope this helps,
Marques
Deborah-Leigh:
Maybe this is the Scripture that is being referred to?
1Co 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit in you, whom you have of God? And YOU ARE NOT YOUR OWN…
Another witness against the idol of free-will.
Arc
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