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mharrell08:

--- Quote from: Fester on January 09, 2010, 09:15:57 PM ---  
Thanks for the help guys your wisdom is much appreciated.
 
To me however this is a kind of wide open almost anything goes statement.
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As does the church. That is why they teach their followers to pray for health, wealth, and prosperity. For the carnal mind, it is an open ticket to all the lusts of the heart. To those who are mindful of the spirit, it is to pray in accord with God Will's, not our own.



--- Quote from: Fester on January 09, 2010, 09:15:57 PM ---  
  Here is what I think when I read it {my thoughts}.
 
John 14:12-14  Verily, verily, I say unto you {anyone}, He that believeth on me {I believe in and have faith in God and His Son}, the works that I do shall he do also {I can't do or know of anyone who can do what He did}; and greater [works] than these shall he do {who has done these greater works than Him?}; because I go unto my Father.  And whatsoever {kind of wide open like absolutely anything} ye shall ask in my name {have done that as we all have}, that will I do {nop not done}, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.  If ye shall ask any thing {once again done by me} in my name {yes I have}, I will do [it] {once again not been done!}.
 
NIV:  I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
 
I know if I was there in person and heard that what I would be thinking.  Wow if I believe in Him whatever I ask for will happen.  Plus I will be able to do things (works) and even greater things (works) than He did.  Then others will see and the Father will get the credit and be glorified.
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No scripture is it's own interpetation [2 Pet 1:20], one day everyone will believe this verse but right now hardly anyone does. Again from James epistles (and he WAS there):

James 4:1-6  From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy? But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
 
Also, it's not about YOU...it's not about you doing great things but God working IN YOU ['we are His workmanship'] for His good pleasure.


--- Quote from: Fester on January 09, 2010, 09:15:57 PM ---Well this has never happened to anyone that I am aware of.  The Apostles never achieved it either.  It would appear to be deceitful to the audience.
 
I am obviously having problems getting my head around this.
 
Thanks again.
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Acts 3:4-9  Peter, fastening his eyes upon him with John, said, Look on us. And he gave heed unto them, expecting to receive something of them. Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.

And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength. And he leaping up stood, and walked, and entered with them into the temple, walking, and leaping, and praising God. And all the people saw him walking and praising God:

Acts 28:8-9  ...it came to pass, that the father of Publius lay sick of a fever and of a bloody flux: to whom Paul entered in, and prayed, and laid his hands on him, and healed him. So when this was done, others also, which had diseases in the island, came, and were healed:

And as George pointed out, almost every member of this forum has had their spiritual eyes opened to God's Truth through this ministry. That's what is more important and is lasting...the flesh profits NOTHING, it is the spirit that gives life.

The Words of Christ are not deceitful, but one seeking to fulfill his own lusts and desires is what's deceitful.


Marques

Marky Mark:
Joh 14:12  `Verily, verily, I say to you, he who is believing in me, the works that I do--that one also shall do, and greater than these he shall do, because I go on to my Father;
Joh 14:13  and whatever ye may ask in my name, I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son;

Just a thought.

Since Jesus is perfection and we are not,and the words that Jesus spoke are Spirit,and we know that only the Spiritually discerned can and will understand Scripture,and that these words were written for those that for only by the Grace of God can have an understanding of the Word, and the Truths therein, I believe that Jesus is talking to His elect, and, in part, of their functions and requests answered through Christ in yet the future Kingdom of Christ,here on earth, because the flesh profits nothing and Spirit is Life.

Being rulers with Christ does not take away from the fact that all is still of and for the Father through Christ and that Jesus is still the King of kings and Lord of lords. The elect will do great things in judgement just as Jesus did in His ministry 2000 years ago.

Correction welcome.


Peace...Mark

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