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The good news according to Ray
Samson:
--- Quote from: elias3013 on January 14, 2010, 09:23:37 AM ---If Ray's teaching is true and I believe most in this forum do believe, and I can convince myself that it is the gospel truth, then I have found just what I was looking for.
I am new to this forum, but after having read a lot of Ray's teaching, my understanding is that God is in complete control of everyone's life and destiny and His will will be done in Heaven and on this Earth.
If God's will certainly will prevail in my life, then I have nothing to worry about. If I do wrong then I know that God knew about it in advance and it must have been His will, or I wouldn't have done wrong in the first place.
One of the great things that I have learned from Ray's teaching is that no matter what happens during my life and no matter what wrong things I do, I know in the end that God will make everything right in me when I am put into that lake of fire which will purify all the bad things in me and prepare me for eternal life in His paradise.
That is really good news.
I hope that God has revealed these things to Ray and he is right and I can make myself believe them.
I hope that I have explained this correctly and would welcome any comments.
Ron
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Hi Ron,
Your question above is a common question that gets asked in some form or another consistently throughout the years at this Site. Check out some of the older threads under General Discussions regarding God's Responsibility and Mankinds Accountability, they just had a Thread like that. Also, listen or read Ray's articles on How Hard is it to get Saved and Can We Lose Eonian Life and God's Spirit. Also below in Blue, I copied and pasted an Email of Ray's replying to a Matthew, I didn't copy his question, just Ray's response. Read Below !
Ray Replies]
Dear Matthew:
Hello again. Well I'll tell you one thing for sure: you are at least thinking. Your "P.S." was a good question. If God knows all, and has predetermined all, and "operates ALL according to the counsel of His own will," when why should we "do" or "not do" ANYTHING? I think that is the gist of your question.
There are several reasons for this. I think the main reason is that although we know (or at least those to whom God has opened up this understanding) that "God is operating ALL" for the benefit of his creatures, we still don't know always, when, where, or how He is going to do this. We don't know what a day will bring. We MUST rely on God COMPLETELY for all our salvation's. Be it safety in traffic, financial supply, health needs, social intercourse's, etc., etc., etc. We never know from hour to hour or from day to day just what will transpire in our lives. This should DRIVE us to our Heavenly Father. And it does. It works. God knows what he is doing.
People as me WHY do I do what I do? Why spend all the time and trouble and expense if God is going to save EVERYONE ANYWAY? I'll tell you why. Because God PUTS IT IN OUR HEARTS to do so. The Scriptures say that God could raise up stones to do His work. But He doesn't. He uses "the foolishness of preaching" to get His word out.
Maybe an analogy will help. Suppose you had a bad disease and there was only one doctor and one source of medication that could save you from your deadly disease. Even if this doctor agreed to come to your aid, you would STILL do everything in your power to ingratiate yourself with this man, wouldn't you? Wouldn't you be kind and respectful to him? Wouldn't you even show a bit of reverence for this man, the only man, who can save you from your disease? Sure you would. And so it is with God. He is our Saviour and our hope and expectation in EVERYTHING! The Scriptures say that "in God we live and move and breathe and ARE"!
Now I will pass on another bit of wisdom. The people to whom God has opened up this understanding are delighted that this is the way things really are. They would have it no other way, than that it is GOD and God alone Who determines our every footstep. However, those who feel this is NOT RIGHT, or they do NOT APPROVE of God operating ALL (EVERYTHING), or feel that man is far superior in his "will" than the Scriptures allow, this people DON'T BELIEVE GOD IS OPERATING ALL IN THE FIRST PLACE! So they can't find too much fault with this truth, because they don't believe it anyhow.
Talk with you later.
Ray
Hope this Helps, Samson.
daywalker:
Hello Ron,
First, all the previous posts leading up to mine are very good ones, which I highly recommend you take the time to meditate on... I just wanted to add this:
Don't expect for everything you've learned to make sense right away. Don't be afraid to ask questions, whether here in the forum, or to God directly. Next month will be my "two-year anniversary" since my discovery of Ray's bibletruths site. Since then I've spent countless hours reading [the bible, Ray's teachings, other books, sites, articles...] and countless hours praying and meditating... and ONLY in the recent few months [3-4] has everything I've learned really begun to sink in... Only lately has my understanding started to elevate. I am beginning to see things that most people don't; usually little things, daily, that sometimes combine to bigger things... and MOST of the things I am now seeing are not things 'out in the world' but things 'within Myself'!!!
As scary as some of these things are to see... I have faith that God is showing me these things, not to discourage me, but rather He's telling me, "See all these enemies of yours. Today you wrestle with them, and lose many battles, but tomorrow you will win the war, and they shall be conquered by you; and you will overcome the world, as I have overcome the world."
Luke 10:19 [CLV] Lo! I have given you authority to be treading upon serpents and scorpions and over the entire power of the enemy, and nothing shall be injuring you under any circumstances.
20 However, in this be not rejoicing, that the spirits are subject to you, yet be rejoicing that your names are engraven in the heavens.
So, I fight daily against the "spiritual forces of darkness in the heavenlies" [Eph 6:12], and often times I get knocked down, and I bleed, and I bruise... but I get back up...
Proverbs 24:16 For the righteous one shall fall seven times and still rise…
rather God lifts me back up...
Jude 1:24 To Him who is able to keep you from falling...
Sometimes I get angry and frustrated and cry out to God for a timeout; sometimes His answer is 'yes', and sometimes 'no'; but I know in the end, this will all be worth it ...God has made me weaker than water, so that I realize that I NEED HIM!
Daywalker 8)
--- Quote from: elias3013 on January 14, 2010, 09:23:37 AM ---If Ray's teaching is true and I believe most in this forum do believe, and I can convince myself that it is the gospel truth, then I have found just what I was looking for.
I am new to this forum, but after having read a lot of Ray's teaching, my understanding is that God is in complete control of everyone's life and destiny and His will will be done in Heaven and on this Earth.
If God's will certainly will prevail in my life, then I have nothing to worry about. If I do wrong then I know that God knew about it in advance and it must have been His will, or I wouldn't have done wrong in the first place.
One of the great things that I have learned from Ray's teaching is that no matter what happens during my life and no matter what wrong things I do, I know in the end that God will make everything right in me when I am put into that lake of fire which will purify all the bad things in me and prepare me for eternal life in His paradise.
That is really good news.
I hope that God has revealed these things to Ray and he is right and I can make myself believe them.
I hope that I have explained this correctly and would welcome any comments.
Ron
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Dave in Tenn:
Hi Ron. I just want to add a little bit. The Lord doesn't begin to direct your steps only when you first recognize that He is directing them. He's always directed your steps. Knowing this, you can begin to look back over your own life's trials, triumphs, and doldrums and see (as much as flesh and blood can see) the High Wisdom of God at work. I believe that understanding is as much the 'judgement in this life' that Kat mentioned and Ray teaches from Scripture as anything that happens from this point forward.
The Gospel really IS good news. It starts and ends on God's manifold power, goodness and Love. A Lord who can't or doesn't lord, is no lord at all. It is the goodness of God that leads men to repentance.
Keep reading, knowing that:
Rom 10:14-17 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
buckhunter:
Hello Ron
As I meditate on the things I have learned about God this past year, I keep coming to the conclusion that our Father and His Son are a lot more powerful and in more control of things in the creation than I EVER thought. I come from a religious background that said we had "free moral agency" which I now know is not possible. It just amazes me that God is powerful enough to know EVERYTHING about His creation ALL THE TIME. I am also very grateful that all who have ever lived will be saved. Just incredible!
Jim
aqrinc:
--- Quote from: elias3013 on January 14, 2010, 09:23:37 AM ---If Ray's teaching is true and I believe most in this forum do believe, and I can convince myself that it is the gospel truth, then I have found just what I was looking for.
I am new to this forum, but after having read a lot of Ray's teaching, my understanding is that God is in complete control of everyone's life and destiny and His will will be done in Heaven and on this Earth.
If God's will certainly will prevail in my life, then I have nothing to worry about. If I do wrong then I know that God knew about it in advance and it must have been His will, or I wouldn't have done wrong in the first place.
One of the great things that I have learned from Ray's teaching is that no matter what happens during my life and no matter what wrong things I do, I know in the end that God will make everything right in me when I am put into that lake of fire which will purify all the bad things in me and prepare me for eternal life in His paradise.
That is really good news.
I hope that God has revealed these things to Ray and he is right and I can make myself believe them.
I hope that I have explained this correctly and would welcome any comments.
Ron
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Hi Ron,
The Good News, is, The Gospel According To Jesus Christ; related by Ray in this case. Read it and compare with what you knew when still a little child, before what the world calls reality took over and dumped dung all over everything you had. You may have seen this Scripture a few times here already:
Ecc 1:13 (CLV)
I applied my heart to inquiring and exploring by wisdom concerning all that is done under the heavens:it is an experience of evil Elohim has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it.
That Scripture is True, it also shows that GOD Knew what everyone of us was going to go through and HE Did it anyway, must be necessary, or GOD made a big mistake??????. What do you think ???.
Now here, below, is another Scripture passage, that shows The Religious Leaders knew that Jesus Christ Was Sent From GOD THE FATHER. Also Jesus Explained to him why we (everyone) must be (begotten anew) <-> (born again), before they can see The Kingdom; which The Gospel Is About:
Joh 3:1-3 (CLV)
1 Now there was a man of the Pharisees, Nicodemus his name, a chief of the Jews."
2 This one came to Him by night and said to Him, "Rabbi, we are aware that Thou art a Teacher come from God, for no one can be doing these signs which Thou art doing, if God should not be with Him."
3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Verily, verily, I am saying to you, If anyone should not be begotten anew, he can not perceive the kingdom of God."
Third, Jesus Christ tells us exactly what was being done to reconcile humanity (every human) TO GOD THE FATHER; after this experience of evil has done its perfect work.
Joh 3:16-21 (CLV)
16 For thus God loves the world, so that He gives His only-begotten Son, that everyone who is believing in Him should not be perishing, but may be having life eonian."
17 For God does not dispatch His Son into the world that He should be judging the world, but that the world may be saved through Him."
18 He who is believing in Him is not being judged; yet he who is not believing has been judged already, for he has not believed in the name of the only-begotten Son of God."
19 Now this is the judging: that the light has come into the world, and men love the darkness rather than the light, for their acts were wicked."
20 For everyone who is committing bad things is hating the light and is not coming to the light, lest his acts may be exposed."
21 Now he who is doing the truth is coming to the light that his acts may be made manifest, for they have been wrought in God."
Now to your belief or non-belief; one more series of Scripture twice in the same chapter below:
Joh 6:44-45 (CLV)
44 No one can come to Me if ever the Father Who sends Me should not be drawing him. And I shall be raising him in the last day.
45 It is written in the prophets: And they shall all be taught of God. Everyone, then, who hears from the Father and is learning the truth, is coming to Me."
Joh 6:65 (CLV)
And He said, "Therefore have I declared to you that no one can be coming to Me if it should not be given him of the Father."
Based on those Scriptures, what do you say ???. Time for careful reading and thought on why you are here now.
george :)
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