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Lupac:

--- Quote from: Stacey on January 22, 2010, 12:10:04 AM ---
--- Quote from: Lupac on January 21, 2010, 10:46:08 PM ---Thank you. It's hard to believe the truth, when lots of people tell you the truth is a lie, and their lies are the truth.

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If you know its a lie than why is it so hard to believe the truth?

If you tell a lie long enough, loud enough and often enough, the people will believe it. Adolph Hitler.

KJV Romans 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

NIV Mat. 15:14  Leave them; they are blind (deceived)guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit."

NIV Luke 6:39 He also told them this parable: "Can a blind man lead a blind man? Will they not both fall into a pit?


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Because it's all I know. When your born under a lie, and have lived almost all your life in that lie... It's hard to let go. Plus, I have very deep-seated fear, of God and hell, and the lies.

Stacey:

--- Quote ---Because it's all I know. When your born under a lie, and have lived almost all your life in that lie... It's hard to let go. Plus, I have very deep-seated fear, of God and hell, and the lies.
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No it is not ALL YOU KNOW. You have been given sound counsel from Ray's teachings and from members here on the forum.

You say that you,

1. Fear God
2. Fear Hell
3. Fear lies

and the reason you give is,

1.born under a lie
2.have lived almost all your life in that lie
3.It's hard to let go

From the statement you have made here I believe you are either seriously confussed or you are not ready to believe the truths presented to you from Ray and the members here. Either way Lupac, I'll be praying for you.

bobf:
Hi Lupac,

I think the verses below address your question.  Abraham asks God if He would do what is right.


* Genensis 18:25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?
God could have replied "anything I do is automatically right" but instead God seemed to acknowlege the question as valid.


* Genesis 18:26 And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes

And I'm sure you know the rest of the story.

Roy Martin:
Lupac, do you really believe that God is the kind of Father that wants us to fear him for being a hell burning torturing kind of God. One that tries to force us to love him by scaring us to nightmares and a life time of fear? No one can be made to love like this. Its impossible. Do you think that you can get someone to trust and love you and believe you by threatening them with torture and all the other things that are lies lies lies. Has it worked on you? Has God scared you to love Him with all your heart?
 No! you don't love Him or trust Him. You believe there is a god of some kind, but not a God of love.
Your words of unbelief are undeniable, and the things you don't say are also undeniable.
 I know you can't help what you feel, and that God is in control, and that He can turn you around in the blink of an eye. I hope to see this some day.
 You say you were born under a lie. Well! join the party of people that lived with these lies much much longer than you have.
  It has to be God that will open your eyes and remove your fears. No one but God knows when or how that will happen. If God is drawing you to seek Him then it will happen. Be sure of that, and that's the truth. I think God is working in you.
  All you show is negative words about God. I haven't read one word from you that has said God is good, or love and forgiving, or the many other wonderful things that can be said about Him.
 Has anything you read in Rays teachings had a positive affect on you, or has anything all of us have said to you had any kind of encouragement to alleviate any of your fears and doubt? Just curious, because you have never said so.
 I hope you don't mind me saying the things I've said. Its not meant to offend you or put you down.
   To want, desire or have a passion for something, you have to perceive it as something good. If you believe that God is scary and fearful and evil, then why would you want Him? Satan can deceive you to see something as good, but he can also deceive you to see God as what you are afraid of. Having said that; Satan acts on Gods authority, so tell me Lupac, who is deceiving you, God or Satan? Do you believe in anything that doesn't worry or cause fear in you? Just curious.
Peace
Roy

Kat:

Hi Lupac,

2Co 10:4  For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,
v. 5  casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God,

So this is the fruit that you have gained from Babylon "very deep-seated fear, of God and hell, and the lies."  These are "strongholds" that are keeping you captive to fear.  But the truth will set you free!

Rom 6:21  But what fruit were you getting at that time from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death.
v. 22  But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life.
v. 23  For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. 

Now that you are learning the truth do you not feel a real sense of joy for these things?  Embrace this truth and it will set you free from the lies and fear. Every time you gain a new understanding of this truth in your studies you are distancing yourself further and further from the lies and the fears.  Stay in the word and prove all things.

John 8:31  So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, "IF you abide in My word, you are truly My disciples,
v. 32  and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

2Tim 1:7  For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.

Hold on to this Scriptural truth, you can trust it and depend on this promise.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

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