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Kat:

Hi Beth,

Yes I think if you begin to explain your beliefs to your church, they simply can not understand in there blindness. You may decide from now on when an opportunity presents itself to make a comment as to how you really believe. But once you have let the cat out of the bag...

I simply walked away.  My husband did not attend with me, so I did not have as much to deal with.  I had 3 teenagers that had always been active in the youth group, but they had experienced some real problems and interesting enough had no problem leaving.  I saw people sometimes and a few people called and would ask me why I stopped going.  When I said I no longer believe in what was being taught there, that was hard for them to comprehend. Some people may just be confused and say nothing, but some will want you to explain where they can understand, which you can't. Still others will attempts to straight you out and try to show you the error that you have fallen into, will point out the Scriptures that say the wicked will be burned and where it says they are in hell.  To them you are clearly going against what the Bible says.

You are in a very difficult position with your husband serving as he does.  But like you said it must be very difficult to keep your light hid under a bushel. God will continue to direct you in the direction He wants you to go, listen to that small voice.  My prayers are with you.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

G. Driggs:

--- Quote from: bambam on February 01, 2010, 03:25:36 PM ---Are we to at all try to convince anyone that what the "church" is doing and teaching is wrong?  Is that what "casting your pearls before swine means"?  I am married to a man deeply involved in our church, and discussion on these matters have begun, but I think he is just trying to convince me I am wrong. 


--- End quote ---

Hi Beth, found this excerpt from one of Ray's papers, maybe it will help you understand what "casting your pearls before swine" means.

From "You Fools! You Hypocrites! You Snakes!"

[Meet the Real Jesus Many Hate]

http://www.bible-truths.com/fools.htm

DON’T WASTE GOD’S WORD ON SPIRITUAL DOGS AND PIGS

Remember Jesus only taught in parables. Did Jesus say: "Don't bother teaching the truth to those who don’t want to hear it?" That would have been clear enough. Or, "Don't try to teach the truth to those who do not desire the truth." Simple. Oh No, Jesus would never say it like that. Here is how Jesus would say it:

    "Give not that which is holy unto the DOGS, neither cast your pearls before SWINE, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and REND you [‘tear you in pieces’ Goodspeed Translation]" (Matt. 7:6).

I've had this happen to me many times by clergymen of the Church. I give them God’s Pure Word, and they spiritually "trample it under their feet," and then (spiritually) try to "tear me in pieces." Atheists and heathens don’t treat me this way—only professing Christians (I am well aware that missionaries have been virtually torn to pieces by heathens, but thankfully this is not the norm).
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Here is another short excerpt from WINNING SOULS FOR JESUS? [Two Billion Strong and Counting…?] @ http://www.bible-truths.com/souls.htm

Certainly we should all follow Peter’s admonition to:

    "…be ready always to give an answer to every man that asks you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear [reverence]" (I Pet. 3:15).

But God has not called all to be teachers:

    "Not all are apostles. Not all are prophets. Not all are teachers" (I Cor. 12:29, Concordant Literal N.T.).

LIGHT AND SALT DON’T ARGUE OR MAKE NOISE

    "Ye are the salt of the earth… Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid… Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father which is in heaven" (Matt. 5:1,14,16).

Salt does not make any noise, and light does not argue Scriptures. Neither salt nor light makes any sound whatsoever. Maybe there is a lesson in there.

Too many people learn a few truths of God and think that they are ready to take on the world. They usually start by trying to embarrass their Pastor with their new-gained knowledge. Usually they fall flat on their face on the very first try. It’s all about motivation. If your motivation is carnal, God will not back you. Yes, I know, all of you are saying: "But my motivation is to show them God’s truths." Yes, sure, I understand, but THEY DON’T WANT TO HEAR GOD’S TRUTHS, and you already know this, so what is your point? Leave them alone and let them taste your salt and see your light and admire your good works, and perchance they will even praise God for your new-found humility,

You will never argue anyone into accepting the truths of God’s Word. As salesmen are often taught: "You might win the argument, but loose the sale," so don’t argue. And this: "He who is persuaded against his will; is of the same opinion still."

I receive a lot of emails from people who beg me to come to their rescue because they are about to have a second session with their pastor or friend, but have failed miserably on the first go-round. Now they want me to give them the ammunition they need to do a slam-dunk on their second attempt to embarrass their pastor or friend. Give it up—that attitude is wrong. Such a carnal exhibition of prideful flesh is akin to someone looking for a street fight merely because he has just acquired a black belt in karate.

HOW TO DEMONSTRATE YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH

I personally know a man who has his little wife working two jobs to support their family so that he can study the Scriptures and enter into doctrinal debates with other Christians at the local Caf� as a perpetual hobby. Notice the admonition of the Apostle Peter:

    "Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul; having your conversation [Gk: ‘conduct’] honest [Gk: ‘honorable’] among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may BY YOUR GOOD WORKS, [Not your clever Bible arguments], which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation" (I Pet. 2:11-12).

Your good works and righteous character will pay dividends to others eventually—if not in this life, then in the Judgment.
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Hope this helps

Peace, G.Driggs

bambam:
Thanks everyone!!  It truly does help!  I am hanging in there.  God is good and I am grateful for a place that offers truth for answers!
I am waiting now for God to do whatever it is He is planning-I guess that can be hard sometimes! Thanks again!!!  I needed the reminders and the encouragement!;D
Beth

dogcombat:
Beth,

You may want to consider this question, considering what G. Driggs posted from the "Winning Souls..." paper.

Which is more expedient to you?  Witnessing to people about Jesus? Or people witnessing Jesus about you?  If you do the former, (like say the unscriptural "Way of the Master") then you're casting your pearls before the swine and giving what's holy to dogs.  They won't see the truth you try to present because God has not enabled them to see (see John 6:51-65.)

51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

 52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?

 53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

 54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

 55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

 56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

 57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

 58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

 59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.

 60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?

 61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?

 62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

 64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

 65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

 66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.


READING these verses CAREFULLY. You'll notice, from verse 51-62, that NO ONE had a clue as to what Jesus meant by what He said.  As Ray, the mods, and many others have pointed out from time to time.  Verse 63 shows why they don't GET IT.  His words are SPIRIT and ARE LIFE.  Until God REVEALS the truth to someone, they won't believe (v. 64   remember He ALREADY knew from the beginning who would believe) and they can ONLY believe when they are DRAWN BY GOD (v.  65 which elaborates v. 44)  Verse 66 shows that MANY of his disiples went back an walked no more with him.   They were not given the faith to continue with Him and to see the truths of God. 
Let His love shine in you to reveal His Glory done THROUGH YOU. 

May God enlighten you
Ches

Deborah-Leigh:

--- Quote ---And I used to believe this stuff.
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That is a compelling observation Felix. Did we really believe it? I wonder if we believed it or simply did not know any better.

I look at Saul as an example. He did not know any better until He was met by the Lord. Then he knew for sure! Like us. We knew for sure after we read the Truth made manifest through Ray.

Others are still like Saul who was zealous for the letter of the law before he became Paul living by faith. WE all experience deception before God reveals to us the Truth. Ultimately all will know the difference.

Arc

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