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revelation understanding needed .please!
the truth:
my question is this :could someone walk through the process of the lord return 1 -resurection to the white throne judgement.i am unclear as to if there are others living during the 1000 year millie.other than the elect .or does everyone else drop dead at his coming and the elect are the only ones alive?thanks in advance for your help.the truth!
Kat:
We know that Christ will return in power and glory.
Rev 19:11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead IN Christ will rise first.
v. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
His Elect will be raised and made righteous in the 'first' resurrection, so will be with Christ as He returns.
Rev 19:14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them.
Now we can see several places where it speaks of the first "resurrection of life" and also the "resurrection of condemnation."
John 5:28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice
v. 29 and come forth--those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
And we know the passage in Matt. that speaks of His return and of the two separate groups of people that He will designate.
Mat 25:31 `And whenever the Son of Man may come in His glory, and all the holy messengers with Him, then He shall sit upon a throne of His glory;
v. 32 and gathered together before Him shall be all the nations, and He shall separate them from one another, as the shepherd doth separate the sheep from the goats,
v. 33 and He shall set the sheep indeed on His right hand, and the goats on the left.
Christ and the Elect are coming to earth to reign and rule "the inhabitants," people.
v. 34 `Then shall the king say to those on His right hand, Come ye, the blessed of My Father, inherit the reign that hath been prepared for you from the foundation of the world;
v. 41 Then shall He say also to those on the left hand, Go ye from Me, the cursed, to the fire, the age-during, that hath been prepared for the Devil and his messengers;
Now this all happen, when Christ returns and takes charge and puts everything/everybody where they will be during His reign. When it says "every eye will see Him," these people must be alive, they have been raised in order to actually 'see' Him.
Rev 1:7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.
Now they are raised and they will "see Him" because they stand before Him at the "great white throne," those whose names are not in "the Book" - Christ, will then be cast into the lake of fire.
Rev 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.
v. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened.
v. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
Now the "fire" ("God is a consuming fire" Heb 12:29) is what will judge these people, that are alive on earth now.
2Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
Rev 19:15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
And this lake of fire, is the age of judgment, when Christ and the Elect will rule this world, on this earth.
Rev 5:10 And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth."
Rev 3:10 Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.
Isa 26:9 For when Your judgments are in the earth, The inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
Well this is the way these Scriptures seem to come together to me.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
elias3013:
To The Truth
The 20th chapter of Revelations states that satan is released at the end of the Millennium and starts again to deceive the people still living on the Earth.
So while the elect is with the Lord for a thousand years, there still exists many still alive on the Earth.
Ron
EKnight:
--- Quote ---Rev 1:7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.
--- End quote ---
If every eye will see Him and then He will reign for 1000 years and then after the 1000 years satan is set loose again to deceive, how could people be deceived after "seeing"? It certainly sounds like when Christ returns, there will be no doubt;
1Th 4:16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God
Eileen
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: elias3013 on January 26, 2010, 10:47:50 AM ---To The Truth
The 20th chapter of Revelations states that satan is released at the end of the Millennium and starts again to deceive the people still living on the Earth.
So while the elect is with the Lord for a thousand years, there still exists many still alive on the Earth.
Ron
--- End quote ---
To go along with Eileen's post, Rev 20 does not say people being deceived again after the Millennium.
Rev 20:7-9 ...when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Satan with 'Gog and Magog' compass or surround the camp of the saints but are ultimately devoured by fire from God...nothing of people being deceived. This is symbolism...in the OT, a similar event occurred:
Joshua 11:1-5 ...it came to pass, when Jabin king of Hazor had heard those things, that he sent to Jobab king of Madon, and to the king of Shimron, and to the king of Achshaph, And to the kings that were on the north of the mountains, and of the plains south of Chinneroth, and in the valley, and in the borders of Dor on the west, And to the Canaanite on the east and on the west, and to the Amorite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, and the Jebusite in the mountains, and to the Hivite under Hermon in the land of Mizpeh.
And they went out, they and all their hosts with them, much people, even as the sand that is upon the sea shore ['the number of whom is as the sand of the sea'...Rev 20:8] in multitude, with horses and chariots very many. And when all these kings were met together, they came and pitched together at the waters of Merom, to fight against Israel.
So all these pagan kings banded together and set out to fight Israel...but did they defeat ['deceive' - Rev 20:8] any of Israel?
Joshua 11:6-11 the LORD said unto Joshua, Be not afraid because of them: for to morrow about this time will I deliver them up all slain before Israel: thou shalt hough their horses, and burn their chariots with fire. So Joshua came, and all the people of war with him, against them by the waters of Merom suddenly; and they fell upon them.
And the LORD delivered them into the hand of Israel, who smote them, and chased them unto great Zidon, and unto Misrephothmaim, and unto the valley of Mizpeh eastward; and they smote them, until they left them none remaining ['fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them' - Rev 20:9]. And Joshua did unto them as the LORD bade him: he houghed their horses, and burnt their chariots with fire.
And Joshua at that time turned back, and took Hazor, and smote the king thereof with the sword: for Hazor beforetime was the head of all those kingdoms. And they smote all the souls that were therein with the edge of the sword ['out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron' - Rev 19:15], utterly destroying them: there was not any left to breathe:
The entire purpose of the Millenium or 1000 year reign of Christ & His Elect is to judge, purge, and purify the nations.
Hope this helps,
Marques
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