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Deborah-Leigh:
Hello the truth

You have some rich edification to ponder from the Scriptures you have recieved. Please note Rev 20 : 5 :-\

--- Quote ---my question is this :could someone walk through the process of the lord return 1 -resurection to the white throne judgement.i am unclear as to if there are others living during the 1000 year millie.other than the elect .or does everyone else drop dead at his coming and the elect are the only ones alive?thanks in advance for your help.the truth!
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There is the resurrection to the white throne judgment and the resurrection to life.

Rev 20:6  Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Luk 20:36  Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
 
Rev. 20:5          But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years….is NOT SCRIPTURE. This is where all the assumptions, confusion, uncertainty, misunderstanding, chaos and upheaval is manifested that is from the seed the enemy planted among the wheat overthrowing the faith of some.

Mat 13:25  But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

No one drops dead after the resurrection. They either join Christ or they are purified through the lake of fire purification that shall burn all false security, purge out idolitary and correct imperfection.

Joh 5:29  And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Act 24:15  And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

Arc

arion:
Thanks for this thread.  Along the same vein...

Isa 65:20  There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.  kjv

Isa 65:20 There is not thence any more a suckling of days, And an aged man who doth not complete his days, For the youth a hundred years old dieth, And the sinner, a hundred years old, is lightly esteemed. ylt

Isa 65:20 And no longer shall there be thence a child of few days, or an old man who is not filling his days, for the youth will be a hundred years old, yet the one dying will be a sinner, a hundred years old; he shall be made light of.  clv

The whole chapter in context appears to be during the millennial reign of Christ while the lake of fire is performing it's function.  This verse seems to intimate that people will still 'die' although it might mean that this is when they die their death to self and their man of sin.  In addition I wonder what happens to those who are born naturally to flesh and blood parents during the millennial reign?  Since it's appointed to man once to die and then the judgment then how can these people die a physical death when the resurrection to judgment has already taken place? Let me preface to say that I'm sure many of us have questions that Ray has never dealt with and on this side we'll never see totally clear as we are still looking into the glass darkly.  This is just one of those many things I have mused about and still have no answer for.

mharrell08:

--- Quote from: Arion on February 04, 2010, 06:47:46 AM ---In addition I wonder what happens to those who are born naturally to flesh and blood parents during the millennial reign?  Since it's appointed to man once to die and then the judgment then how can these people die a physical death when the resurrection to judgment has already taken place? Let me preface to say that I'm sure many of us have questions that Ray has never dealt with and on this side we'll never see totally clear as we are still looking into the glass darkly.  This is just one of those many things I have mused about and still have no answer for.
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Hello Arion,

Ray teaches on the verse from Hebrews 9 that you speak of:

Heb 9:27  And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment

Excerpt from Lake of Fire Part 16-D5 (http://bible-truths.com/lake16-D5.htm):

THE SECOND DEATH

It's time for another one of those enigmatic Scriptures that sound very simple, but are difficult to harmonize with all Scriptures compare "spiritual with spiritual" and believe Jesus when He tells us that His "words ARE spirit" (John 6:63). Here is that enigmatic statement:

    "And as it is appointed unto men [Gk: 'anthropose'--human, mankind] once to die, but after this the judgment"

This Scripture is all-encompassing, universal, and applies to every human who has ever lived. All humanity must die once, and after that death, they must be judged. There are no exceptions, not even for mentally challenged, teens, youngsters and even infants. (Do sound-minded Christians really believe that when babies die they go to heaven and therefore, there will be millions of eternal babies [in diapers?] living in heaven for all eternity AS BABIES?) God has a way to deal with babies and infants in the Day of Judgment that will be quite equitable -- they will grow up to be adults.

The Chosen Elect are judged now in this Church age (I Cor. 11:31), while the unrepentant, unbelieving, mentally challenged, infants, and all other such categories, are judged in the resurrection to Judgment (I Cor. 11:32)--"In that day," as the Scriptures mention so many times. The reason I don't put infants and such in the category of the wicked every time I mention the wicked and judgment, is because there are few places that mention babies in a Judgment setting, but there are some, but they are not judged as are the wicked. They will be judged for their carnality when it shows itself, as they mature.

    "Because he hath appointed a day [called that day and the Day of the Lord in many prophesies], in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that Man Whom He hath ordained; whereof He hath given assurance unto all men, in that He hath raised Him from the dead" (Acts 17:31).

Some Scriptures refer to judgment on the unrepentant, wicked, and unbelievers. Others refer to judgment on the chosen Elect of God. And still others refer to judgment on both the wicked and the Elect, but at different times.

Now get ready for a real revelation. There are two mysteries in Heb. 9:27 when applied to God's Elect:

   1. what and when is the "ONCE to die?"
   
   2. what and when is the "after this JUDGMENT?"

We will take up the Elect's Judgment part of this verse first.

We learned that Gehenna fire, and unquenchable fire, and eonian fire, and the furnace of fire, and being salted with fire, and the lake of fire, are all the same fire, and this fire is JUDGMENT. Now then, since the lake of fire is judgment, and the lake of fire "is" also the second death, if follows that the second death also "is" judgment. THE SECOND DEATH IS JUDGMENT, AND JUDGMENT IS THE SECOND DEATH.

Had God wanted to make things easy, He could have inspirited Heb. 9:27 to read like this: "And as it is appointed unto men ONCE to die, but after this the SECOND death."

For that is what the second death is, JUDGMENT. Likewise then, Judgment is the SECOND death. After the ONCE to die comes the SECOND to die. Or: After the FIRST death comes the SECOND death. Simple enough when God gives us eyes to see. But there is still an enigma about this verse that we will cover a little later.

I didn't want to post the entire paper, but it should be looked at in it's entirety to help in the answers you seek. Look unto sound counsel before giving up on seeking a scriptural truth and desire a teachable heart. This is not to say Ray has taught on every subject imaginable, but he has helped us in understanding 'how' to understand the Word of God [Good read: http://bible-truths.com/twelve.htm].


Hope this helps,

Marques

onelovedread:
I was just about to ask the question - Are we applying Ray's teaching 'TWELVE GOD-GIVEN TRUTHS TO UNDERSTAND HIS WORD'? And then I read Marques' post. For myself, I've printed out each of the 12 principles and have been meditating on them in order to reprogram my approach to the Word. In my spirit I am convinced that this is a "bedrock" teaching that must be a part of our understanding and application of God's word. I'm confident that it will transform and re-educate us to attain the desired 'revelation understanding'.

Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Arion

Isa 65 is not literal. Not one word of the entire scriptures are literal. Not one dot or tittle is literal. There is not one speck of dust in the entire Word of God. To assume otherwise is to say that Christ speaks a lie or that carnality falls out of His mouth from time to time. It doesn't. The Words He speaks are Spirit and are Truth because HE IS SPIRIT and TRUTH. 8)

Context or not context that is the Truth.
Look again at the chapter that can so easily be seen to be literal.  :)

Isa 65:20  There will not be an infant, nor an old man that has not filled his days. For the child will die a hundred years old; but the sinner who is a hundred years old will be despised.
Isa 65:21  And they will build houses and live in them; and they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
Isa 65:22  They will not build, and another live in them; they will not plant, and another eat. For like the days of a tree are the days of My people, and My elect will long enjoy the work of their hands.
Isa 65:23  They will not labor in vain, nor bring forth for terror. For they are the seed of the beloved of Jehovah, and their offspring with them.
Isa 65:24  And it will be, before they call I will answer; and while they are still speaking, I will hear.
Isa 65:25  The wolf and the lamb will feed together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox; and dust will be the food of the snake. They will not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain, says Jehovah.

The above Scripture is not  not literal. It is  spiritual and is a reflection on the following words Ref:   excerpts from  PHYSICAL or SPIRITUAL RESURRECTION BODIES FOR THE WICKED & NON-BELIEVERS?
« on: June 14, 2008, 01:40:06 PM »

: INCORRUPTIBILITY, UNENDING EXISTENCE, GENUINENESS, IMMORTALITY, INCORRUPTION, SINCERITY, GLORY (AS VERY APPARENT GLORY), DIGNITY, GLORY, GLORIOUS, HONOR, PRAISE, WORSHIP, FORCE, MIRACULOUS POWER, ABILITY, ABUNDANCE, MIGHT, MIGHTY, WORKER OF MIRACLES, POWER, STRENGTH,  (‘violence’ only when referencing an carnal person), MIGHTY (wonderful) WORK, NON-CARNAL, ETHEREAL, SPIRIT, DIVINELY, SUPER NATURAL, REGENERATE, RELIGIOUS, SPIRITUAL
1Co 15:48-49  As is the earthy, such  ARE  they also that  ARE  earthy: and as is the heavenly, such  ARE  they also that are heavenly.  And as we have borne the image of the earthy, WE SHALL  also bear the image of the heavenly.

Notice that ONLY “we”  [God’s Elect], not “they,”  “…shall bear the image of the heavenly.”  Paul is speaking that “THEY, the earthy,” and “WE, the heavenly,” and only the “we” will “bear the image of the heavenly,” not “they,” the wicked who will be raised as tares to be burned in the Lake of Fire.
It is the “we” and the “us” that will be changed at the last trump, not the “they” and the “them.”
Is it possible to have a greater contradiction of character traits than this?  No, those who are spared death at the conclusion of this eon and will live on into the reign of Jesus Christ with their physical bodies, will not be outdone by the wicked who are raised from their graves. There will not be two communities of non-believers being judged—one in physical bodies, and those among the worst of humanity that have ever lived, being in beautiful, glorious, powerful, incorruptible, SPIRITUAL bodies.  It’s unscriptural nonsense as far as I can see.  Hope this helps your understanding a little better.

God be with you,

Ray

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