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Amplification on Mt 5:19 - Lawkeeping
arion:
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Rom 7:14 for we have known that the law is spiritual, and I am fleshly, sold by the sin;
I've run into a number of people on a few different forums that are really into lawkeeping and the grind that go's along with it. I realize fully that the law (ten commandments and all the various ordinances of Moses) is spiritual. The Law is the shadow of the reality to come and we need to come out of the shadow and into the light.
Ray has dealt with something similar to this on one of the audio teachings but for the life of me now I can't remember which one and I want to go back and review this subject. I am not looking to argue with these people because they like us will not be able to understand these concepts if God doesn't open the heart and the eyes, but for my own edification is there a better way to explain this concept with others?
Especially in the first verse where Jesus seems to be saying that his disciples should both do and teach the law of God. I know Jesus isn't telling us to go and try to keep the ten commandments as Paul dealt with this in various scriptures but what exactly is Jesus saying about doing and teaching the law? Any insights?
Blessings,
Doug
bambam:
I too am studying the law right now. And the scriptures that talk about the end of the law for us and the abolishing /death/fulfilment of the law for us now are numerous. But it does get frustrating when I cannot understand what certain scriptures like the one you mentioned mean. It can get frustrating, but maybe God is just keeping us on our toes. I know that God does not contradict himself and that's what keeps me going.
If you find where Ray talks about the law could you post it and I will do the same if I run into it. Thanks!
Beth
aqrinc:
--- Quote ---Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Rom 7:14 for we have known that the law is spiritual, and I am fleshly, sold by the sin;
--- End quote ---
Here is some of what you may be looking for. There is a lot more information in just about every paper that Ray has written and posted here.
Excerpt from Keeping The Sabbath---2007 Bible Study.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,6310.msg50887.html#msg50887
HOW THE CHURCH PLAYS ‘RELIGION’
When I was in the Worldwide Church of God every year we celebrated Passover and we partook of ‘real’ unleavened bread and ‘real’ wine, ho ho ho (said sarcasticly)… not leavened bread and grape juice.
Then we also, to out do all the other churches, we would line up all the chairs around the parameter of the hall. Then we had plastic wash basins and warm water and a towel for every person. Then one person would wash the person sitting down feet and they would dry off, get up and put their shoes on. Then the one that had washed their’s would sit down and they would wash their feet. And they would dry off and put their shoes back on. We did this once a year.
Why did we do that? To fulfill the commandments, so that we could feel righteous and holy and better than others. Did people do that everyday of their life? NO. Why? Because they didn’t know what it meant. Well they knew what it meant, but they didn’t think about it everyday. Because well you only do it once a year, so I’ll think about it when it’s time to do it.
That is NOT what Jesus meant when He said we should wash one another’s feet.
That is NOT what Jesus meant by partaking of His body and His blood either. That one day out of the year, we eat a little wafer and drink a little grape juice. That is not what He meant that is NOT keeping Passover or the Lord’s Supper.
Cutting off the foreskin of a man’s penis is NOT circumcision. You say, ‘well it represents carnality and so on.’ Well what do women cut off? Are there no carnal women? What do they cut off and how do they live by this?
I made a list of physical rituals that carnal-minded Christians like to do, according to their faith. Well depending on which religion, but sooner or later everybody does some of this. The physical letter of the law can, in fact, deceive you.
Tithing - pseudo tithing
Religious pilgrimages
Circumcision
Holy Day observance
Clean and unclean foods
Prayer cloths
Foot-washing
Fasting
Alter calls
Water baptism
Making vows
Anointing oil
Burning incense
Doing penance
Speaking in gibberish
Lighting candles
Pictures
Icons
Idols
Holy water
Holy smoke
Confession
Last rights
Sign of the cross
Rosary beads
Wearing phylacteries
The Lord’s Supper
Sabbath keeping
New moons
Prayer wheels
Religious junk
And This letter.
http://bible-truths.com/emails.html#tempt
Dear Ray,
I'm am still so happy I came on your site. Okay. This is the truth. I read my bible now more than ever (answered prayer), and I come away with joy and peace and comfort (that never happened consistently until now). I have a newfound compassion for people in the world, including my father (who was especially not one of my favorite people in the world, for reasons I won't bore you with). I sit and think all day long everyday, "Who can I convince about this?"
See, I've tried telling my good friend, Michelle, and I have tried telling my sisters and brothers, but they don't believe me!!! They think I'm nuts. I've given them your website and I get no response. I was expecting for them to come back to me with, "Wow, Gina, this is so fantastic!!! What a load that's been taken off my shoulders!" But instead, I get nothing. I don't get angry, but frustrated! I have all this great news! and they won't listen,
I'm so excited! I just want everyone to know how good God is. Thanks so much for taking the time out of your schedule to research all of this for people like me!! We are so blessed. God Bless You!! I am so blessed!
Peace!
Gina
[Ray Replies]
Dear Gina:
Thank you for your kind words and encouragement.
Sadly, not all get as excited over the grand Truths of God as you do, but we know this is a time of apostasy and failing faith. Jesus asked, when the Son of Man returns to this earth, will He find faith? Not much! But it is all part of God's plan, just as your questions confirm.
Many are called, but few are chosen, and the last shall be first and first shall be last. Israel was hand-picked of all nations to be God's example of how a nation can be blessed and prosper when they obey and love God. Israel did not pass the test. God proved through Israel, that the carnal mind cannot keep the laws of God, nor can the carnal mind live God and love neighbor. So God is calling out a people who are not in a place of honor in this world. Poor people in the city, farmers, peasants, unlearned, people to a large extent.
As in the bidding to the wedding feast, God said bid the poor, maimed, the blind, etc., to come to the feast (of salvation). Paul said,
"For ye see your calling, brethren, how that NOT MANY wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God has chosen the weak thing of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and thighs which are despised, has God chosen, yes, and things which are not, to being to naught things that are" (I Cor. 1:26-28).
I know that I fit into this bunch of social rejects. But thank God He is making KINGS out of peasants!
So God is now calling a "spiritual Israel" who obey from the mind and heart, seeing that that is where God has placed His Holy Spirit. And so the "Children of the kingdom" (those who were in line for he throne--Israel) are set aside unto God chooses from the Gentiles a people to bear His Name. And then, Israel of old will be grafted back into the tree of life (Rom. 11), all Israel will then be saved, as well as the rest of Gentile world.
May God continue to bless and inspire you, Gina, as you yield to His perfect will for your life.
Ray
george :).
Kat:
Hi Doug,
I was thinking that you might be thinking about the 'Repentance' audio. Here is an Excerpt from the transcript to see if this is what you are talking about.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3709.0.html -------
Rom 2:3 “And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God?”
He’s saying absolutely not. Now the whole council of God, the sum of Thy Word is true. Let’s get to it here. Now you are all familiar with the scripture, “for where there is no law there is no transgression (infraction of the law)," (Rom 4:15), right? And it says the law was added, because of a lot of sin. Now God made codes that said, your not going to get away with this any more, this is bad and this is bad and this is really bad, so they won’t get away with things anymore. So they added the law to make sin really appear to be sinful. But notice what James says, and maybe we never got this before.
James 2:7 “Do they not blaspheme that noble name by which you are called?
v. 8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself," you do well;
v. 9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors.
v. 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all (or it can read liable to the punishment, the penalty).”
Now let’s just think about this a little bit. We always thought about this verse on a level about here. You know you break one, you’re guilty of them all. We thought like, 'well I guess if you committed adultery and God said you shouldn’t, so I guess you dishonor God and so you break the first commandment or something like that.'
But does this verse mean what it says, if you break one, you’re guilty of all? Are you ahead of me yet? Do you know where I’m going with this? Some are figuring it out.
If you break one point of God’s royal Law, you are guilty of all. I said yesterday I want us to see why we really need to repent, and see just how serious it is in God’s sight. I know God will eventually take everybody to be where they need to go, but sometimes God accelerates things, by the foolishness of preaching. That’s what I am doing. Maybe you're going to see something here that you never conceived of before. That is if you break one point of His law... we’re not talking about the spiritual law here, you know how Christ made the law so much high that Moses law. One says don’t commit this sin, Christ said don’t even think it, okay. Much higher law. If you break one point, your GUILIY of all.
Nashville 2005 audios
Repent: http://bible-truths.com/audio/Ray_Repent 1.mp3
Guilty Of All: http://bible-truths.com/audio/N05 Guilty_of_ALL.mp3
mercy, peace and love
Kat
arion:
Thanks Kat and George...
It's the Dec 2007 study that I was thinking about. I know I have saved that audio on my computer somewhere but I must of named it differently than 'keeping the Sabbath'. I'm going to listen to that one again.
Just wondering if Ray has ever touched on Mt 5:19 though. There is a lot of things that God hasn't revealed to me as of yet so maybe this is one of those things I have to keep digging on. The law is spiritual so even the ten commandments are spiritual yet Jesus said that those who do and teach them (commandments) will be the greatest in the Kingdom of heaven. The closest I can come to understanding that at this point is the ten commandments are spiritual so the teaching and the doing also has to be spiritual in nature and not the physical. I mean one can keep the commandment against murder but still have murder in your heart, ect.
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