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I don't know what to believe.
Lupac:
Thanks Kat, I'm working on throwing out all the junk I've learned. I guess God's love was never really taught to me, at least, not nearly as much as His wrath, justice, and anger. The only real act of love I was taught about God was Him giving His Son to die. But even then, that was to fix a problem Satan caused, but He knew about, and it only was for his "elect".
arion:
You will come to experientially know these truths in time and will assimilate themselves into you so they become a part of you. The time is coming that you will no longer question them. Ray has said it many times that if something really indeed is true then all your honest study will prove that it is true. The same with the false beliefs you were taught. As you study them and find out where they came from and why people believe them then as time go's on you will come to know more and more than they indeed are false. Obviously this is only true if God is indeed working on you to know the truth and I certainly believe that he is. Otherwise you wouldn't be here and you wouldn't care one way or another. In a way I envy you because I didn't come to know these truths until three or four years ago and this summer I will be 48 years old. To know these things and really know them before your even 20 years old is a tremendous advantage for you during the rest of your life.
Roy Martin:
Lupac, the fact that you can't get rid of the things you have been exposed to, and can't believe in what you want to is absolute proof that you are in control of nothing, not one little thought. God is in control, and you have no free will. I can't emphasize this enough that this is a solid truth you can cling to. Its the one that can't be denied. Just look at yourself and determine if you can choose what you want of your own. Its impossible for anyone to do this, but with God all things are possible.
You are trying to do things of your own. What your going through is God dragging you to Him, but you fight it by hanging on to the un-truth which is just one of those things that God puts us through in Him dragging us. Not everyone goes through it this way. God has placed you on a roller coaster, and He will take you off when He is ready, but first you will learn that you have no free will and that He is in control, not you, and not Satan. You will know this one way or the other.
Roy
Ninny:
Bryant..we are all going to be so happy when you finally are able to let God do everything in you...You are going to get it one day! I have prayed for you a lot and I know that you are God's! He is going to reach into your mind and plant a joy in you that you will recognize as a gift from Him!! I want God to continue planting peace into MY mind, as well! God is a Father in love with His children..of which YOU are one!! Don't ever give up hope, because God is real, He is your Father and HE will never let you go!! You're making it, buddy! Soon God will give you His peace!! :D
Kathy ;)
Lupac:
Thanks, I'm doing better. I read this guy from Tektonics a couple of months ago, that had me a little worried. So I went back to their page. Man, this guy is so wrong. He see hell as "eternal shame", which I can only guess would be people kicked out of heaven, being "shamed". According to him, there's no "eternal torture", only being separate from heaven. (BUt not from God, as he admits God will be "all in all".) Anyway, his whole argument is based on free will. I don't think any serious "christian" can argue with Ray apart from "free will", which Ray has completely destroyed with Scripture. Now, the reason I wrote all of this, is that things that man said, I would be afraid to be in his shoes. His answer to 1 Tim. 2:4 is that God "desires" lots of things, but it doesn't mean it will happen. :o He said "Would anyone argue that God desires everyone to be perfect?"
I would say, no, God doesn't at this time. Otherwise it would be. (But it will be in the future, because He is making us in His image.) Anyway, this thing he said really is blasphemous:
--- Quote ---God can, by definition, cause things to turn out any way he wishes; again by definition, he can never be forced to choose a course of action with substandard results.
Can an omnipotent being, by definition, cause things to turn out any way it wishes? Actually, no. An omnipotent being cannot alter a free will choice to obtain a desired result (this results in both A and not-A being true at the same time and in the same sense, which is a contradiction). Can an omnipotent being be forced to choose a course of action with substandard results? No, and what of it? It is incumbent on Skeptics to establish that our omnipotent being (God) chose a course of action which obtained comparatively substandard results.
--- End quote ---
He's basically saying God is powerless to alter any of our "free-will" choices, even if God does not want them to be.
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