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I don't know what to believe.
Lupac:
--- Quote from: Roy Martin on February 09, 2010, 09:19:38 AM ---Lupac, the fact that you can't get rid of the things you have been exposed to, and can't believe in what you want to is absolute proof that you are in control of nothing, not one little thought. God is in control, and you have no free will. I can't emphasize this enough that this is a solid truth you can cling to. Its the one that can't be denied. Just look at yourself and determine if you can choose what you want of your own. Its impossible for anyone to do this, but with God all things are possible.
You are trying to do things of your own. What your going through is God dragging you to Him, but you fight it by hanging on to the un-truth which is just one of those things that God puts us through in Him dragging us. Not everyone goes through it this way. God has placed you on a roller coaster, and He will take you off when He is ready, but first you will learn that you have no free will and that He is in control, not you, and not Satan. You will know this one way or the other.
Roy
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I understand that, what I worry about is, what if God does want me, or someone else, to go to "hell"? Have you ever been on the site CARM? That's what I used to believe, that's what I keep falling back into worrying about. Right now, I'm worried about it...
Jennie:
Lupac, I see your pain in your writings. My heart goes out to you. I am just an old mountain woman and I will pray for you and love you in my heart asking all the while for God's comfort to be on you. It hurts my heart for my own child to be in pain over anything but there are times I can't fix it. I wish I knew the words to say that would bring you peace but I don't. What I can tell you is that you are loved and cared for by many that have never even met you face to face. I hope and pray for you to find happiness and peace. I do believe those are some of God's greatest gifts to us. When I start wondering about things I go off in the woods in these old mountains. We have huge boulders that are no telling how old and couldn't be made by the hand of man. I watch the creek water tumble over those old rocks and I feel peace in my spirit. If God cares enough for those old rocks to be on this earth.... how much more does He care for us? I am comforted by that. I hope this day brings you peace, jennie
Kat:
Hi Lupac,
What if ???
What if, the present economic recession plunged into a deep depression? How could we survive if we lost all of our conveniences?
What If, another ice age got started and it was going to freeze the whole earth? How would we be able to survive something like that?
Well what if, a huge asteroid hits the earth? How would we survive that?
What if, there was a pandemic and a terrible disease spread around the world and there was no treatment for it? Would anybody survive?
What if, there really are evil aliens and they take over the earth? Could anybody survive that?
I mean we could come up with plenty of 'what if' scenarios and find plenty to worry and fret about. Now let's say none of these 'what ifs' happen, then we have put ourselves through a lot of anguish for no good reason. We have to find a way to separate what we need to apply our time and effort towards and what is not worth wasting our time with. I personally rely on the Word of God, not the translations and their errors of interpretation, you have to get to the original words spoken by the Apostles. I am convinced that we have that here at BT.
Now what will it take to convince you? Clearly it will be God and He will do that in you at some point and you give up this fantasy of a literal hell. Then you will know God has done a great work in you. I hope that will be some day soon.
Mat 6:27 Which of you by worrying can add one cubit to his stature?
Mat 6:32 ...For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things.
v. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.
v. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.
Php 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy--meditate on these things.
v. 9 The things which you learned and received and heard and saw in me, these do, and the God of peace will be with you.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Lupac on February 10, 2010, 12:54:11 AM ---I understand that, what I worry about is, what if God does want me, or someone else, to go to "hell"? Have you ever been on the site CARM? That's what I used to believe, that's what I keep falling back into worrying about. Right now, I'm worried about it...
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Before I came to BT, I used to study the teachings at CARM. And as Ray has noted, whenever someone attempts to explain an unscriptural doctrine, they have to rely on unscriptural words. That pretty much sums up everything about the CARM ministry.
Lupac, from all your many comments in this and other threads, it seems you want be on both sides of the fence. What I mean by that is, you want to trust in the scriptures presented about our Loving God who will save all His children. But you also want to give credence to the doctrine of eternal hell, 'just in case'.
James 1:5-8 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
I, for one, sincerely believe you are seeking wisdom of the Lord. But as we keep reading the words of James, our requests must be done 'in faith', not wavering. For one who wavers will not receive 'anything' of the Lord. This is similar to our Lord's words that we be either 'hot or cold' and not lukewarm [Rev 3:15-16].
So what it comes down to is: you have to decide. You have to live your life...no one, neither here from the forum or anywhere else, can live it for you. You can continue to waver and question and the members can continue to give you scripture after scripture...but you still have to decide.
Can you really live a life where you look to everyone else to make your decisions? Every single day? Not even you could keep that up, I believe. The rubber meets the road in everyone's life Lupac and the points comes when you have to 'let go' and trust in God. That's the only way you'll have peace of mind.
Hope this helps,
Marques
Lupac:
You're right, I have to let go... I can't live in fear my whole life. I am going to read Ray's study on love, several times. I don't want to waver anymore, and I won't.
Kat, you're right too. That's thing with me, you know the thing I always feared more than going to "hell"? Not know whether I would or not. Uncertainty. That's a problem with me, that I need to work on. I don't know what it will take, I'll get there though.
Jennie, I do feel alone. I know you all care about me, I care about you too. Thank you.
I was going through some verse in the Bible about God's love. (Because, any way you look at it, that's where I'm stuck, believing that God doesn't love everybody.) I came across this verse, Ephesians 5:25:
--- Quote ---Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
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Now that's a verse I've heard used to say that God doesn't love everybody, only the church. But that's not what it says, it doesn't say Christ gave Himself up for the church "ONLY", 1 John 2:2 says this:
--- Quote ---And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
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So Christ died FOR the "whole world". Believe it or not, I've even had it told to me that "whole world" doesn't necessarily mean the whole world. >:( How much more twisting can you do to a verse? John is indeed speaking to other Christians, that's why he says "not only ours". Am I going the right way with this?
Thank you all, with God's help, I'm going to pull myself out of this hole.
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