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Destruction?
Deborah-Leigh:
--- Quote --- refer to one's spiritual state not one's future destiny
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Bulls eye!
Well expounded Marques!
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Lupac:
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--- Quote from: Lupac on February 12, 2010, 10:10:17 AM ---Okay, here's what I was talking about, this is every time G684 appears in the gospels:
--- Quote ---Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destructionG684, and many there be which go in thereat:
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--- Quote ---Mat 26:8 But when his disciples saw it, they had indignation, saying, To what purpose is this wasteG684?
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--- Quote ---Mar 14:4 And there were some that had indignation within themselves, and said, Why was this wasteG684 of the ointment made?
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--- Quote ---Joh 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perditionG684; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
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It's used a total of 19 times in the Scriptures. The reason I was asking is, it's a different word than apollumi. I quoted that verse in 2 Peter because it seems to say that the sons of perdition will be destroyed. I guess what I was saying is, there's no verse using the word apōleia that says Jesus will save them, only apollumi. But they are the same word, aren't they?
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Lupac,
Many times, the words 'destroyed' or 'destruction' refer to one's spiritual state not one's future destiny. That's what it means when Christ says that His words are spiritual and what it means to 'speak in parables'. These words are used, not in their literal sense, but to portray a spiritual condition.
Marques
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I see. What about the apostles? I assume they're words are spirit too, right? I was asking, because Paul says that evil men's END is their destruction:
--- Quote ---Php 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
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But God destroys their carnal nature, right? I wish I understood better...
Deborah-Leigh:
You are understanding just fine Lupac. God will destroy carnality as tares are to be burnt and straw can not survive fire.
Remember what Kat posted in your thread "I don't know what to believe". It applies to your question here. The entire Bible is one giant parable. :)
This is what Kat posted:
http://bible-truths.com/lake5.html ----------
Now then, is there a simple way that we can at least represent all metaphors in an intelligent, understandable statement? I think so. I have come up with a statement that seems to represent ALL metaphors correctly and honestly. Here is how it works: Take ANY metaphor and apply this principle to it:
A. "The WORDS that I speak unto you, they are SPIRIT." Or condensed: [My] Words ARE Spirit.
Next, add the words "like" and "in certain ways," and state the metaphor like this:
B. "The WORDS that I speak unto you, they are [like] SPIRIT [in certain ways].
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mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Lupac on February 12, 2010, 10:48:05 AM ---I see. What about the apostles? I assume they're words are spirit too, right? I was asking, because Paul says that evil men's END is their destruction:
--- Quote ---Php 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
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But God destroys their carnal nature, right? I wish I understood better...
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The apostles spoke in parables as well...whether likening believers to 'buildings, temples, vessels, etc.'
Yes Paul speaks of the wicked and unbelieving leading to an end of destruction...again, this is figure of speech. This is no different than what Jesus said about the many who go the broad way of destruction. As a matter of fact, I'm sure this is where Paul got this reference from...either directly from Christ or through another apostle.
Marques
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