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Meaning Of Theos
ARisingSon:
Samson,
Back to the original theme of this thread. In Ray's response to Darren he stated,"God means "placer or disposer."" Where does he get that definition of THEOS? My Strong's has theos as number G2316,theos,; of uncert. affin.; a deity, espec.(with 3588) the supreme Divinity; fig. a magistrate; by Heb. very:-X exceeding, God, god(-ly,-ward).
Grace be with you. Earl
Samson:
--- Quote from: ARisingSon on February 15, 2010, 12:52:09 PM ---Samson,
Back to the original theme of this thread. In Ray's response to Darren he stated,"God means "placer or disposer."" Where does he get that definition of THEOS? My Strong's has theos as number G2316,theos,; of uncert. affin.; a deity, espec.(with 3588) the supreme Divinity; fig. a magistrate; by Heb. very:-X exceeding, God, god(-ly,-ward).
Grace be with you. Earl
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Earl,
I didn't learn that Theos, Greek for God was Placer, Disposer or Arbiter from Ray, but learned it from some Universalist writings from Author(s) of the 18th-19th Centuries, but I don't recall specifically who, might be John Wesley Hanson, Andrew Jukes, Thomas Allin. I learned it prior to discovering Ray's Site, eventually realizing Ray taught that too, regarding the primary definition of Theos. The whole point of Theos, is that this word doesn't necessarily have to refer to God the Father or Jesus as God either, it's somewhat an abstract term, Human Judges can be referred to as "gods." Also, regarding Strongs Hebrew & Greek Bible Dictionary, I have one too, got it from Barnes and Nobles on sale about a year ago,but wouldn't put all my apples in his definitions, because although he will list most of the definitions of a certain Greek Word, he's biased by Orthodox Christianities belief system. As an example he says Aionios means "pertaining to the Ages" and Aion means " An Age," he has these derivatives of "Aion" meaning perpetual and endless time or quality of life. How can a word be defined with an opposite meaning. Either Aionios means Endless or it has a beginning and an ending. I don't put my trust in Orthodox Scholars, Theologians because they are motivated by an agenda to be in agreement with what's Politically correct and acceptable among their Peer Group or they get ostracized like Jesus was, because of " not going with the program." After shoveling snow for another 10 million hours, if I can find the time, I will see where I first learned these definitions of Theos(Arbiter, Placer and Disposer).
Have a good day, Earl.
ARisingSon:
Thanks. If you find your source I would like to know. Grace be with you. Earl
bpenelli:
I don't know if this is helpful or not but see the last sentence in "EL" and "ELOHIM" here:
http://www.concordant.org/expohtml/GodAndChrist/names.html
also see:
http://www.concordant.org/expohtml/GodAndChrist/onegod4.html
Samson:
--- Quote from: ARisingSon on February 15, 2010, 05:17:54 PM ---Thanks. If you find your source I would like to know. Grace be with you. Earl
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Earl,
From God's Truth For Today, The Main Library is where I came across Universalist writings prior to my discovering Bible-Truths, Below you will find some excerpts from an article by James Coram. This Library has Authors in Alphabetical order. Also, A.E. Knoch, the translator of the Concordant Literal Version has some articles discussing the meaning of Theos.
The shortest form of the divine title, El, which is singular, is the same in form as the connective to and the pronoun these. To and these indicate the direction, disposition, or subjection of that which is in view. For example, "The water from under the heavens shall flow together to one place" (Gen.1:9), disposes or subjects the waters. "These are the genealogical annals" (Gen.2:4), places the generations before the mind of the reader. This is the underlying thought in accord with the true proverb, "Man proposes, but God disposes."[5] It would seem, then, that the essential thought of the divine title (which appears in three forms, El, Eloah, and Elohim) is Subjector, Disposer, or Placer
We may be certain that this assumption is correct since the Greek equivalent Theos, which is derived from the-PLACE, signifies the Placer. This may be confirmed from many words which share this common stem such as tithêmi, place, lay, appoint, assign, or atheteo, which means "repudiate" or have no place for. The meaning of the- may be seen as well in such English words as theme, thesis, and theater, in which a certain entity (whether a topic, proposition, or drama) is placed before an audience.
It is certain that Galatians 4:8 should be understood in such a sense as is suggested here, for there are a considerable number of scripture passages which speak of both men and messengers as being "elohim" (i.e., "subjectors"), each one, under God, working in his own faithful capacity toward the achievement of his own respective service. Note the following texts: "You shall not maledict the elohim [i.e., the arbiters or judges; cf Ex.21:6], and a prince among your people you shall not curse" (Ex.22:28). "Then the sheiks of Edom are flustered; the arbiters [elohim; i.e., judges, or disposers] of Moab, quivering took hold of them. All the dwellers of Canaan are dissolved" (Ex.15:15).
The word "God" (or "god"), like all titles, concerns itself with office or service. In Greek, its stem, the- signifies PLACE; hence, the complete form, theos (GOD), means PLACer. This idea fits all the contexts in which theos is used. Theos is not only the original Greek word for the English " GOD," but is also the inspired translation of the Hebrew " ELOHIM," in all corresponding New Testament citations of Old Testament texts which refer to God Himself.
Thanks, Samson
Modified on Feb. 16th with excerpts from Ray's Material(See Below in Red)
From: Is God a Trinity or an expanding family.
[The Hebrew word Elohim [eloheem] is the plural form of Elowahh [eloah] which answers to "The Deity." The Greek word generally used in the New Testament for God which answers to the Hebrew word Elohim is Theos which means PLACER (God), literally Disposer or Arbiter
/Okay, here it is--you’re going to love this: If the holy ghost is actually and literally "God" as Trinitarians maintain, and Jesus was "CONCEIVED" by the Holy Ghost, then Jesus would have to be "The Son of the Holy Ghost" and not the Son of God the Father! It is not physiologically or Scriptural possible to be "conceived" by one person and then when born, be the son of another person! Whoever causes a women to conceive is also the FATHER of the child conceived, NOT ANOTHER AND DIFFERENT PERSON! Jesus was conceived by the holy spirit "OF" God. It was the spirit OF the Father, not some other spirit or ghost that caused Mary to conceive. Therefore "God," not the "spirit of God," is the FATHER of Jesus. So much for the trinity theorycolor]
Jesus IS God! True, but this fact does NOT make Him the FATHER! Let us always read and believe the Scriptures. The English word "God" is translated from the Greek word Theos which means PLACER or DISPOSER. ANYONE to whom the Father gives such an office of "placer or disposer" is a God! Notice what God says in Psalm 82:6,
"I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High."
Jesus explains this verse for us:
"Jesus answered them, ‘Is it not written in your law, that ‘I say you are gods’? If He said those were gods, to whom the word of God came [and the scripture can not be annulled], are you saying to Him Whom the Father hallows and dispatches into the world that You are blaspheming,’ seeing that I said, ‘Son of God am I’? If I am not doing My Father’s works, do not believe Me. Yet if I am doing them, and if ever you are not believing Me, be believing the works, that you may be knowing and believing that in Me is the Father, and I am in the Father."
Okay then, let’s notice a few very important points. Jesus never came out and said "I AM GOD!" He always called Himself, "The Son OF God." Recall that Jesus did not consider it "pillaging" to be equal with God. That is, he didn’t need to steal, or take His office by FORCE, because His God, the Father, GAVE ALL THINGS TO HIM FREELY! Though Jesus is certainly "God," we must always remember that everything that made Him "God" (like His Father), WAS GIVEN TO HIM! Is there anyone who would suggest that someone GAVE God the Father all that He possesses? I think not. There is clearly a distinction--we have a "Father" and a "Son," NOT two equal Gods of a so-called trinity.
Notice in the paragraphs copied and pasted above from Ray's Article refuting the Trinity, he mentions the definition of Theos in the first paragraph and in the third one. Also, I threw in alittle information regarding His conception by The Spirit OF God.
I am now done responding to this Thread, this is my last Post on this issue, anyone have any more side questions, You will have to ask someone else or Do the STUDY,RESEARCH and WORK yourself.
No offense intended, Regards, Samson.
P.S. Some of these excerpts from Ray above were accidentally pasted in Black by me.
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