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Deborah-Leigh:
Thank you Roy.  I find that it is easier for me to address an individual. Details become clearer and there is a warmth of communication not so easily or readily available when speaking to the world through the Forum which is rather like stepping out of the boat and walking on water.
We are all doing that here every time we make a post!

Samson, thank you for your comments.
You know you really do touch a nerve that I believe runs through everyone who is privileged to come to realize the Truth and to see, know and comprehend, that God is NOT going to destroy His family but is going to elevate us all into the heights of His Love.
 When we come to know just a little bit about the reality of God, it then has to dawn on each and every one of us, sooner or later, that our loved ones may not be subscribing to the same understanding that we have. This means that their actions, thoughts, deeds and motives are harnessed to fear, trepidation and terror that twists itself into the need to become a hypocrite of the supreme rank of A class acting.
I know it hurts me to see family members that are not ”spiritual family” members, doing and behaving in ways for the sake of appearances.  They do what is right from motives of fear not love. I can see it and they cannot and it hurts me not them. I cannot engage in the hypocrisy and I do not entertain their objectives to keep up appearances at all costs. It costs us in the end because we cannot make them see, or change. We cannot save one soul and we are not supposed to either. We suffer the isolation and the appearance of being aloof, different, in our own worlds, isolated, self approving, and nothing, no nothing could be further from the Truth.
 Indeed it is such a burden, and I mean this not in any bad way what so ever, but it is painful to know Christ whilst being in a world so blind and so devoted to keeping up appearances don’t you think?

Beth, I can not trivialize what you are going through. It is bad enough when those people who want to love us and extend their need to touch and impress us, just can’t do it because of their idols. It has to surely frustrate them and invite all kinds of bad thoughts, false conclusions and assumptions to cushion their blind eyes and make it easier for them to bear their errors. Just think of the joy a person thinking that there is Hell, gets when they feel powerless to pay back, hit back, hurt back, those who persecute and harass them. It is such a vicious circle that only the Spirit of Christ can break and redeem.
I spoke with Myms somewhere in the Forum and I think everyone who has a spouse who is not quite there yet, we have these circumstances in our  most intimate relationships by design of God calling to Trust Him more and Depend on Him more and to know His Love more as we become set free of condemnation both for ourselves and for others. It brings to mind the Scripture that says…
If our own hearts condemn us,…..
We all, surely ALL have to suffer the same things some time somehow, somewhere and by Gods love and mercy He appoints some to extend their hands of compassion to us who know the depth and pain we endure in the process of God making us into His Image.
Bless you Beth and all spouses suffering the apparent imbalance of Faith or Believe that God surely means for good because we do love Him. We can all be encouraged then, to continue to …. not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth, whether we have the worlds liscence or approval or not....
1Jn 3:19  And in this we shall know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before Him,
1Jn 3:20  that if our heart accuses us, God is greater than our heart and knows all things.
God is the cause of all things, circumstances and trials....

And Stacey, well you know what I think of you. You are just a jewel. :)

Arc

Samson:
Your Right Deb,

                      Your quote from your last Post in blue below. Thanks for the reminder, we have to keep their Spiritual State of Affairs in a balanced proper perspective, especially when we consider that We were one of them or might, at least, been one of them, promoting pretences and appearances, but I ask God to help me forgive them, for they know not what they do, just like Jesus said while on the Cross, prior to his death.

                              Arcturus quote below in blue.

Samson, thank you for your comments.
You know you really do touch a nerve that I believe runs through everyone who is privileged to come to realize the Truth and to see, know and comprehend, that God is NOT going to destroy His family but is going to elevate us all into the heights of His Love.
 When we come to know just a little bit about the reality of God, it then has to dawn on each and every one of us, sooner or later, that our loved ones may not be subscribing to the same understanding that we have. This means that their actions, thoughts, deeds and motives are harnessed to fear, trepidation and terror that twists itself into the need to become a hypocrite of the supreme rank of A class acting.
I know it hurts me to see family members that are not ”spiritual family” members, doing and behaving in ways for the sake of appearances.  They do what is right from motives of fear not love. I can see it and they cannot and it hurts me not them. I cannot engage in the hypocrisy and I do not entertain their objectives to keep up appearances at all costs. It costs us in the end because we cannot make them see, or change. We cannot save one soul and we are not supposed to either. We suffer the isolation and the appearance of being aloof, different, in our own worlds, isolated, self approving, and nothing, no nothing could be further from the Truth.
 Indeed it is such a burden, and I mean this not in any bad way what so ever, but it is painful to know Christ whilst being in a world so blind and so devoted to keeping up appearances don’t you think?



          Thanks, Samson.

Deborah-Leigh:

--- Quote ---we have to keep their Spiritual State of Affairs in a balanced proper perspective
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Right! Like remembering that we have the beam in our eye and so do they :)


--- Quote --- I ask God to help me forgive them, for they know not what they do, just like Jesus said while on the Cross, prior to his death.
--- End quote ---

Forgive, yes Samson.  :)  That is Scriptural...forgive us our offenses AS WE  forgive them their offenses towards us. We forgive because we are commissioned to forgive. This has nothing to do with "they know not what they do"...No one is expected to forgive on the merit of the offender not knowing what they are doing. That is not Scriptural.
There are many verses in Scripture that show that there are people who know very well what they are doing. They connive, plan, plot and scheme to dig holes for others.

They want to, they intend to, bring down, hurt, maim, mutilate injure and wound. These are the children of wrath who enjoy thinking, hoping, planning and praying that their enemies will burn forever. Make no mistake, these children are very messed up kids of carnality. Only God can cause their change from wrath to humility, from hate to love and from insane prejudicial holier-than-thou self indulgence, to repentance through only the goodness of God.

Luke 23:34     Then said Jesus, Father forgive them; for they know not what they do…..It is worth noting that, on authority of Professor C. Tisendorf’s notes on the reading of the two oldest Greek manuscripts, the Sinaitic and the Vatican #1209.  The words shown from Luke 23:34 found in our common King James Version are NOT found in the oldest manuscripts.

Arc

Phil3:10:
Arc,
How very timely, for me,  was your response to the forum member.  My only comfort is that our GOD wants things this way now, but HIS promises for the future are what I cherish. His forgiveness and mercy are our only hope. I think He has made things so very dismal in order for all to see how great and wonderful HE will be at HIS appointed time.  I do feel much more blessed that HE has called me out of the Babylonian System and through Ray Smith and this forum I am learning the real truths of our GOD.
Thanks for your posts as they always enhance my time in this forum.
In HIM,
Phil3:10

acomplishedartis:

I appreciate these post.

Yes, I was one of them... and do not wish it would be different. First you have to understand the place, realize what are you doing there and then have the  motivation enough to leave for good. 



--- Quote from: Samson on February 08, 2010, 05:01:55 PM --- try and tinker with their beliefs,
            Thankyou, Samson.[/color]

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About the adobe quote: I try ed once or twice a couple years ago, and regret it.
The image of me hurt ed by angry cats comes to my mind.

 

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