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Are all men new creatures in Christ?
orion77:
I was on another forum and someone mentioned, as in Adam all sinned and in Christ all are alive, so which should we believe? It is easy to believe 'as in Adam', yet the majority can't seem to believe 'in Christ' for some reason. Here is the verses:
(Rom 5:14) but death reigned from Adam until Moses, even on those who had not sinned in the likeness of Adam's transgression, who is a type of the coming One.
(Rom 5:15) But the free gift is not also like the deviation. For if by the deviation of the one the many died, much more the grace of God, and the gift in grace, which is of the one Man, Jesus Christ, did abound to the many.
(Rom 5:16) And the gift is not as by one having sinned; for indeed the judgment was of one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many deviations to justification.
(Rom 5:17) For if by the deviation of the one death reigned through the one, much more those who are receiving the abundance of grace and the gift of righteousness shall rule in life by the One, Jesus Christ.
(Rom 5:18) So then, as through one deviation it was toward all men to condemnation, so also through one righteous act toward all men to justification of life.
(Rom 5:19) For as through the one man's disobedience the many were constituted sinners, so also through the obedience of the One the many shall be constituted righteous.
(Rom 5:20) But Law came in besides, that the deviation might abound. But where sin abounded, grace much more abounded,
(Rom 5:21) that as sin ruled in death, so also grace might rule through righteousness to everlasting life, through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Thank God, we are a new creation through His obedience, and through His obedience grace, the free gift, justification and righteousness abounds more abundantly than the sin of one. God has each of us right where He wants us to be, some a little farther along than others, yet the day will come when all will be healed. Gods will and purpose will come to pass, no matter what we think or believe at any given moment in time. He is eternal, and knows the beginning from the end. He is the Alpha and Omega.
God bless,
Gary
worm:
--- Quote from: rocky on June 20, 2006, 12:21:21 PM ---Are all men in Christ, and therefore we are to look at no man as after the flesh, we are all new creatures in Christ??
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I believe we who are fortunate to be elightened by Christ in this life should see men as Christ did...did He make a distinction between the Jew or Samaritan...between the believer and unbeliever?
No...he didn't
We also know now that ALL men will be saved eventually...so we should see all men as potentially righteous...just like God sees us...we are still full of fault and transgressions, but He sees us as if we are already cleansed...He lets his light shine on all people...and so should we as per His example
Ro 3:10
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Remember the parable Jesus told about the Pharisee ("so called" righteous) vs the commoner ( the "so called" lost)?
Luke
18:9
And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
18:10
Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
18:11
The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
18:12
I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
18:13
And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
18:14
I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
Lightseeker:
CHRISSIE
--- Quote --- I wish I could remember a quote that I saw someone use once (maybe even here, not sure)… about that very thing. Something about how we judge ourselves based on “intentions”, but others based on “results”. Man, I forget… but I thought it was so true.
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Was it: We judge ourselves according to our heart but we judge others according to their actions.
--- Quote ---It’s no wonder that it is in our PATIENCE that we possess our souls.
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Amen. We may not have control over the outside, but we certainly have control over our attitude on the inside. I think that how we act is up to us, and "tribulation worketh patience"...or could we say it works patience into us???
Chris R:
Hi,
Jer 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man [is] not in himself: [it is] not in man that walketh to direct his steps.
To say we have control over our attitude outward, or inward, is to simply deny the above scripture.
Chris R
buddyjc:
--- Quote from: Chris R on June 30, 2006, 10:11:15 PM ---Hi,
Jer 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man [is] not in himself: [it is] not in man that walketh to direct his steps.
To say we have control over our attitude outward, or inward, is to simply deny the above scripture.
Chris R
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Amen Chris. God is definitely in control. The work of the cross 'atoned' or 'covered' our sin, but sin still remains and must be done away, but this is done strictly by God. I have been thinking about this a lot lately. It's like having a house full of nail holes. The nail holes being my sin, Jesus Christ comes along with a bucket of plaster and covers up all the nail holes. Even though you can't see the holes, the holes are still there. God is ripping house of the Elect apart, and rebuilding it, and this is judgment. The rest of mankind who are not the Elect will have their houses destroyed and rebuilt in the lake of fire.
Eph. 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
2Co 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2Co 5:4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
The house of the Elect will not be complete until the resurrection of the dead, but for now they have a 'taste' of what is to come. We do 'judge ourselves' but this is our perspective. It is really the spirit of Christ that is doing the judging and not us.
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