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Thoughts on Origins? Evolution? Big Bang?
gohaley:
The Evolution of animals from a common ancester is a bogus theory to most Christians. When creationists debate evolutionists; to stump the evolutionist, the creationist often brings up the topic of the, 'origin of life,' saying things like, "DNA is far too complicated to simply happen by itself."
Now this statement sounds true. However, in Ray’s conference on Genesis and creation, He said something that tweaked my ears. He brought my attention to Genesis 1:11
‘And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.’
Ray made it quite clear, that at Gods command, the EARTH (and NOT God) made grass/green, along with the rest of plant life. This means that the EARTH made the very first piece of physical life that existed in the entire universe. Now, all plant life contains DNA and the earth seems to spew plant life out like crazy. Ray also said at his conference that, God created the earth; and the earth makes everything on it. Things like mountains, sand, canyons, gold, rivers etc. Is DNA, also one of these things that the earth makes?
Apparently, human DNA isn't much different to that of a banana! Did God make humans out of same DNA stuff that is already naturally produced in the earth? Could humanity be the end of a grand creation, all done through a natural process of physics and evolution already pre-planned/designed before the big bang? Did God sit back and watch His whole creation unfold before his eyes over a process of 14 billion years or did He get hands on, making stars, galaxies, planets, fish and dinosaurs at every turn for 14 billion years. Could we say that the universe ‘made itself’, after God pushed the big bang red button or not? Was the creation ‘truly’ finished at the very start/foundation (big bang)? Why do secular (and some Christian) scientists insist that evolution is the ONLY scientific answer? Are they right or wrong?
Can someone please correct me in all the areas where my thinking is wrong (if not the whole thing). I know that this post is long and I’m sorry. I'm a music producer and not a scientist. I’m also NOT an evolutionist, but Ray has just got me thinking about this. He can do that…
Peace Greg (London, UK)
Dave in Tenn:
(KJV) Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
(CLV) Gen 1:11 And saying is the Elohim, "Verdant shall become the land with verdure; with herbage seeding seed for its from-kind and for its likeness. and with the fruit tree whose seed is in it yielding fruit for its from-kind on the land." And coming is it to be so.
No version I have says, "Let the earth make." You know Ray pays attention to ALL the words. Regardless of what you may remember, he did not intimate that the earth MADE "green", animals, Mankind.
I don't know how many of your other questions flow out of this misunderstanding, so I won't attempt to answer them--especially since I don't have the answers in the first place. Whew! ;D
Without getting into "evolution" (which most lay-people don't even understand), there is no doubt that God is using natural processes to continue 'life' on earth. In other words, "...and coming is it to be so." It wouldn't surprise me to discover that He has always used natural processes from 'the Beginning' to do His creative work.
The 'problem' is, is that He doesn't tell us (except in the case of Mankind) HOW He did things "in the beginning" except to speak. I go back to the truth that all the Words of Scripture are Spirit. As much as we might not want them to be, they are. Can Spirit 'speak' as if it had a mouth?
Then again: Mat 21:21-22 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done. And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
Maybe He'd already had some experience along these lines?
My ultimate answer right now is what it's been for all my life: I wasn't there. The Fool hath said in his heart 'There is no God.' I believe the fool still says in his heart 'There is no God that I can't fathom.'
Roy Coates:
His thoughts are not our thoughts
Dave in Tenn:
--- Quote from: Lupac on February 17, 2010, 09:07:10 PM ---I have a quick question. According to Genesis, God made all the plant on the earth before the sun, moon, and stars... Wouldn't it make more sense to make the sun first? What's happening there? Thanks.
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Hi Lupac. Don't hijack this thread, please. Read or watch the '08 Nashville conference again. If you still believe what you've written here, write to Ray. You may call it a 'quick question', but there is no quick answer.
Lupac:
Okay, sure. I'm not sure I watched the whole thing. No harm intended., just was curious.
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