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Ricky:
Hi Arc, aliens? that was a joke, they do not exist, and if they did I could battle an army of them, but not the beast right now he is to powerful. Marques, please do not get me wrong I was not implying that Jesus does healing under the power of Satan. The Lord does not dwell in temples made by hands. Temples, meaning buildings, churches etc. The body is also called a temple,I believe. Now if that temple is made up of lies and church doctrines, it would be made by man and the Lord does not dwell with that temple, that's what I was getting at. Kat, thankyou your replies always do good for me. I read somewhere in Rays writings that Satan throne is the church to me that means he owns it, runs it and guys like Benny Hinn is proof of that. But Jesus does heeling's in the churches that teach lies about Him and that would make people stay in that healing church regardless of what Rev.18.4 says. Kat, Marques, I have a ? for you, why is it that I believe what Ray teaches but I cannot grab onto it in understanding. When I left church 10 years ago because of the false teachings, I then separated the bible and God from all churches and religions and have convinced myself that they do not belong to Him. This may be where my problem is. Hope you can help.
          Bless you all.    Ricky

Kat:

Hi Ricky,


--- Quote ---why is it that I believe what Ray teaches but I cannot grab onto it in understanding.
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I can only tell you how it is for me personally. I believed what Ray teaches from the first time I read it, BUT it took over a year of intense study of his articles before I felt I had even a basic understanding of what he taught and I still need daily study in order to keep inching forward.

Of course understanding only comes as God grants it to you, that's why praying for Him to open our understanding is so important. I think believing is the start and as you apply diligent study and meditation on these truths your understanding grows accordingly. I know it is not by our own effort/works that we gain knowledge of these truths, but that is when His spirit teaches me, when I am studying and meditating, so I study as much as possible. Then I have information from studying that I can meditate on and be taught even more.


--- Quote ---When I left church 10 years ago because of the false teachings, I then separated the bible and God from all churches and religions and have convinced myself that they do not belong to Him. This may be where my problem is.
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I had been lead astray by a few churches over the years, but I would not let that experience prevent me from accepting the truth wholeheartedly once God lead me to it. I have found Ray's material to be the means by which God has taught me most of the truths so far. I think for me it was a question of realizing that the first experiences in the church was the darkness that had to come before the light/truth could shine in.  I do not regret the time I was in the church, it was a valuable lesson, I just want to release any hold I have on the doctrines they taught. But certainly I don't want that experience to make me hesitate to embrace the truth I have found now. Anyway that's just what my experience has been.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

mharrell08:

--- Quote ---why is it that I believe what Ray teaches but I cannot grab onto it in understanding.
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Hello Ricky,

Well as you already know, understanding comes from the Lord [Luke 24:45, Ps 119:125]. He gives in part and continues to work in increments to help in our understanding. I really don't know why He gives more to some than others...but I only trust this is what is necessary for every believer's life.

For a sound foundation in your studies, I would suggest:

Lake of Fire Part 1 - This helps in understanding 'metaphors, figures of speech, symbols/types, etc.' The bible is FULL of these and wisdom helps one to discern and recognize in the OT as well as the NT.

12 Truths to Understanding God's Word - This should be the bedrock in understanding the scriptures...every TRUE belief and doctrine should be able to hold up to the scriptures presented in this study.

Foundational Truths bible study, Feb 08 - Help believers in understanding the 'basics' of the faith...great starting and growing point.


Hope this helps,

Marques

indianabob:
Marques,

Thanks for your helpful input.
It is often necessary to be candid or even blunt.
It is good that you have this candor in balance with sincere love.
So thanks also for your diligence in attending to moderation for all of us.
I love to watch as you and Kat and others build upon each other's contribution to aid the spiritual growth of a brother.

Bob

Ninny:
I'll tell you something that happend to me..long before I had ever even heard of Bible Truths or Ray Smith..it isn't proof that God answers prayer, I have learned that if we pray for HIS will then our prayers are answered! ( I learned that from our dear Ray)
My mother was my age when she passed away...she died I'm not afraid to say she died..lots of people have a problem with saying that...anyway...She was a terrible diabetic and thirty odd years ago they didn't have a lot of the good medical knowledge that we have now..My mother had a mild stroke, and suffered kidney failure and slipped into a coma...I just left her room and went to the little hospital chapel and sat down and prayed this prayer.."Lord, I know that you are able to heal my mother, if it is your will..If you would heal her and restore her to perfect health, that would be great and I would ask that you do that! If that is not in your plan or your will for her to be restored in perfect health then please just let her go. I'd rather be without my mother than to see her suffer anymore." (my mother had a very hard life and suffered more than any of us knew).  Such a peace came over me and I knew that my mom was in God's care...someone met me outside of her room when I got back and said, "I'm sorry, your mother is gone..."

The emotion that passed through me at that moment wasn't deep sorrow or anger...It was peace in knowing that whatever the circumstances..God is always there and He is never too busy to hear the prayers of a little off the wall 24 year old! I will never forget that day.. I didn't realize it until these past few years when I learned that God does answer prayer like Ray says," Any time we pray for God's will to be done our prayers are answers!" that's the "supernatural" way I have experienced God!! I have had many such encounters with God!!
Kathy ;) :-*

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