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Lupac:
Hello. I thought I could get some help. I decided to look up every time the word "torment" and "punishment" was used in the NT. It's found in 29 verses, and comes from seven (Maybe more? I didn't go through all the "punish" verses, just the "torment" ones.) words:

G928
basanizō
From G931; to torture: - pain, toil, torment, toss, vex.

G929
basanismos
From G928; torture: - torment.

G930
basanistēs
From G928; a torturer: - tormentor.

G931
basanos
Perhaps remotely from the same as G939 (through the notion of going to the bottom); a touch stone, that is, (by analogy) torture: - torment.

G2558
kakoucheō
From a presumed compound of G2556 and G2192; to maltreat: - which suffer adversity, torment.

G2849
kolazō
From κόλος kolos (dwarf); properly to curtail, that is, (figuratively) to chastise (or reserve for infliction): - punish.

G2851
kolasis
From G2849; penal infliction: - punishment, torment.

G3600
odunaō
From G3601; to grieve: - sorrow, torment.

But the one I want to focus on right now is kolasis. It's only used twice in the Scriptures, in the verse that is the most "hell proof" for most christians. It's root word is used twice also. Here's the verse I'm sure you all know:


--- Quote ---Mat 25:46  And these shall go away into everlasting punishment*: but the righteous into life eternal.
--- End quote ---

Here's the other time it's used:


--- Quote ---1Jn 4:18  There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment*. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
--- End quote ---

I'll put the two verses it's root word is used in also:


--- Quote ---Act 4:21  So when they had further threatened them, they let them go, finding nothing how they might punish* them, because of the people: for all men glorified God for that which was done.
--- End quote ---


--- Quote ---2Pe 2:9  The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished*:
--- End quote ---

Now, here's my question. All these verses seem to have chastisement as being a correct translation. The wicked going into eonion chastisement. The Pharisees wanting to punish (chastise, maybe? In their mind.) the Apostles. And the unjust men being chastised by God. But, 1 John 4:18 doesn't seem to fit. Fear hath "chastisement"? YLT has it as "fear hath punishment". Any help? Thanks.

Samson:
Hi Lupac,

             Why does the Greek Word, "Kolasin" being used at 1John. 4:18 " have to Fit" or is of concern to you. I noticed that myself, but since Kolasin shouldn't be translated punishment, anyway, it doesn't concern me. Kolasin literally means " to prune" and is rendered Chastisement or Correction. The Greek Word for punishment is "Timoria" and emphasizes the vindictive character of punishment with a satisfaction only for the benefit of the inflicter of that punishment. (Strongs #5098). However, Here are a few renderings of 1John. 4:18 from other translations.

" Fear existeth not in Love, but perfect love casteth fear outside; because fear hath correction: He that feareth hath not been made perfect in love." (Rotherhams)

" There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment, but he who fears has not been made perfect in love." (NKJV)

" There is no fear in love, but perfect love throws fear outside, because fear exercises a restraint. Indeed, he that is under fear has not been made perfect in love." (NWT)


Lupac, I'm sure someone else can add to the above, but I don't view any problem or see any concern. Apparently, the Greek Word "Kolasin" is being used for a different purpose at 1John. 4:18.

                   Hope this helps, Samson.

Kat:

Hi Lupac,

It seems to me that the previous verse explains what verse 18 is talking about.

1John 4:17  Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness (confidence) in the day of judgment: because as He is, so are we in this world.
v. 18  There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear: because fear hath torment (punishment). He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

So we can see from verse 17 that this is talking about "the day of judgment." Those that have their "love made perfect," by God, have no fear of the judgment/punishment/torment/chastisement to come on the rest of the world.

Hope that helps.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

Lupac:
Thank you Kat. It doesn't "have to fit", I was just curious.

Roy Martin:
Hi Lupac,
 I can give you one word to study that fits anywhere, everywhere all the time.
The word is love;

Peace
Roy

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