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"Human attempt at salvation"
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Gary
Thank you for your question.
When we encounter Christ, we break down because our idols are ruined, destroyed and they break and cannot stand up in His Presence. Darkness can not stand the Light.
I believe that when we fall on Christ we don’t fall because WE want to or that we cause ourselves to. No. Only God can cause us to fall on Christ and be wounded by His Word. Only God can drag us to His Son. When this happens then we fall into diverse temptations and trials as James wrote.
Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
Jas 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
Jas 1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
Jas 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
We see and it is clearly demonstrated that the entirety of Christendom has used their own efforts, curiosity and leanings on human understanding and imaginings, to create their sermons, their tickling of ears, their entertainments to keep the flock duped into false beliefs and errors. There are many varieties that show this flaw in the multitude of false teachings that have emerged to fragment Christianity into over 3000 different denominations. Yet we have done the same leaning on what others who at one time we esteemed to know better than us, every time we draw on their, or our own, conclusions based on our human understanding of what God speaks in Parables, symbols and metaphor.
1Ti 6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
The valuable insight shared with you already on what Ray expounds, the Scriptures given with insights and understanding already reached and expressed in this thread makes for some real good food for thought!
Arc
Amrhrasach:
Thank you Kat and Arcturus.
"when we are in the church and involved with all the traditions of men, this is our 'human attempt'"
"and turn to the church and its religion as the idol of your heart"
"the entirety of Christendom has used their own efforts, curiosity and leanings on human understanding and imaginings, to create their sermons, their tickling of ears, their entertainments to keep the flock duped into false beliefs and errors"
Something that’s been wandering through my mind since stumbling into Ray’s teachings. As a child I attended a super small country church (3 different denominations depending on the Sunday) eventually moving into ‘THE’ church in the next town. The problem is, as I remember, I never really cared for the teachings particularly the ever so popular hell doctrine, never understanding why a ‘loving’ God took such delight to burning souls of such a weak people. Although I did ‘walk the aisle’ in that bigger church the moment was fleeting and it seemed I ‘knew’ in my heart that something was way wrong with their beliefs, possibly my own. It could simply be that being from a very poor family we were snubbed by the ‘elite’, don’t know. But when I decidedly left that church I’ve never gone back into a ‘church’ building for a service. When I walked away I didn’t look back too often, if at all. Nonetheless I suppose what I did learn was enough to get a taste of ‘organized religion’. And reading scripture here and there over the years never produced an understanding of God’s word as Ray has in his understandings. Spiritually dead, if ever alive, would be the best description.
I wasn’t ‘IN’ a church to be called ‘out’. So I take it that while we may not be regularly attending a church building, he calls us from the indoctrination no matter where we are in our walk, church or no church. But now I wonder where the loss of one’s first love in such a brief encounter?
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Horseman on March 02, 2010, 10:44:58 AM ---I wasn’t ‘IN’ a church to be called ‘out’. So I take it that while we may not be regularly attending a church building, he calls us from the indoctrination no matter where we are in our walk, church or no church. But now I wonder where the loss of one’s first love in such a brief encounter?
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Judges 17:6, 21:25 In those days there was no king in Israel; everyone did what was right in his own eyes
Prov 12:5 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes...
Prov 21:2 Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, But the LORD weighs the hearts
Gary,
Kat posted this excerpt from LOF #13:
Whenever someone is called of God and he repents, is baptized, confirmed, initiated, or whatever, it is into a church. And sooner or later that particular church will bring you to the point where you will leave your first love for God and turn to the church and its religion as the idol of your heart. God calls His people OUT of the Babylonish System of Religion which has a strangle hold on ‘The Church.’
Whether one is in church for years or for a brief period of time, we all attempt to serve the Lord by 'what is right in our eyes'. We do this through observing and obeying the commandments and traditions of men. This attitude and mindset continues, even when physically walking out of a church, until the Lord chooses us and opens up our understanding to His Word.
Physically walking out of the church is only the VERY beginning of a long and enduring walk through the straight & narrow path.
Hope this helps,
Marques
Amrhrasach:
--- Quote from: mharrell08 on March 02, 2010, 11:03:58 AM ---
--- Quote from: Horseman on March 02, 2010, 10:44:58 AM ---But now I wonder where the loss of one’s first love in such a brief encounter?
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Judges 17:6, 21:25 In those days there was no king in Israel; everyone did what was right in his own eyes
Prov 12:5 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes...
Prov 21:2 Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, But the LORD weighs the hearts
Gary,
Kat posted this excerpt from LOF #13:
Whenever someone is called of God and he repents, is baptized, confirmed, initiated, or whatever, it is into a church. And sooner or later that particular church will bring you to the point where you will leave your first love for God and turn to the church and its religion as the idol of your heart. God calls His people OUT of the Babylonish System of Religion which has a strangle hold on ‘The Church.’
Whether one is in church for years or for a brief period of time, we all attempt to serve the Lord by 'what is right in our eyes'. We do this through observing and obeying the commandments and traditions of men. This attitude and mindset continues, even when physically walking out of a church, until the Lord chooses us and opens up our understanding to His Word.
Physically walking out of the church is only the VERY beginning of a long and enduring walk through the straight & narrow path.
Hope this helps,
Marques
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Pinpoint Marques and made in such a way that I understand. Oh the guilt of breaking Ray's 1st law of scripture reading requirements........'read ALL the words'.
Gary
Samson:
--- Quote from: Lupac on March 01, 2010, 09:56:52 PM ---Maybe this is my problem. I'm trying to "save myself". (Like I could...) Only God can save you. And He will.
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Lupac,
I really appreciated your comment above, it's only one sentence in length, but it speaks volumes and as simple and to the point as this comment is, God caused you somehow to say it, perhaps by the foolishness of preaching, as Ray often states, that's found at Bible-Truths. After first reading your response, I sincerely felt joy, instead of my sometimes frustration(only kidding with you, ;D). Jesus came to Save that which is Lost(Like you, me and all of us)
Thanks, Samson.
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