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Deborah-Leigh:

Charles

2Ti 1:3  I constantly thank my God-whom I serve with a clear conscience, as my ancestors did-when I remember you in my prayers night and day,
2Ti 1:4  recalling your tears and longing to see you so that I can be filled with joy.


--- Quote ---I just hope and pray that He teaches me how to love you all in spirit and truth and not just word or affectionate feelings carnal men defines as love.
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Charles your love IS grounded in Spirit and in Truth. You do not know me any other way! This internet is no accident! It  forms part of God’s design and regal extension of His Love working in each of us as we fellowship and touch hearts, thoughts and feelings by believing and sharing, serving and delighting in our Lord.  This spiritual connection is how and why you are anticipating the gift of meeting our brother Marques as Paul did in that same excited and joyful spirit THAT IS QUICKENED BY THE PRESENCE OF CHRIST HIMSELF. Any wonder that you are excited to meet our sweet in the Spirit, fierce in the Spirit and astute in the Spirit brother Marques.


--- Quote ---I just hope and pray that He teaches me how to love you all in spirit and truth
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You are learning how to love us all in spirit and in truth. You send me your love and you don’t even know what I look like? Would you recognize me in a crowd. NO. Would you see me if I sat beside you in a diner. No. Would you know me if I walked with you on a road to Emmaus? No. If I started to SPEAK to you – THEN would you recognize me? Would you know Christ if you were weeping for Him and He appeared before your eyes and said nothing? Nol You would think he was the gardener. When He SPEAKS then you know He is the Word of GOD.

So, what do we have in this Forum? WE speak in and before the Spirit of the ultra-sound of His Spirit that shows just how well we are growing up in preparation for birth! Well, this is how I see it.
 
There is no wrong to desire to see one another. NON at all. We ache to see a new born baby. Mary  g-r-i-e-v-e-d the loss of Jesus at His death and was overjoyed  to see Him again! We all have to grieve and die and lose, suffer and be rid of the aftermath of Babylon. Non want to be born through the trials and tribulations we must suffer to enter into the Life and Kingdom of His Spirit. We cannot do it ourselves just like a baby cannot decide when to be born. All it knows is that things are getting tighter and tighter and that passage with the light at the end of the tunnel looks like death and it is, in the way that it is death to darkness that has to proceed the light. First the natural then the Spiritual. Does this not touch us in our hearts, quickening our spirits, that  are being raised from the death in our sins into the Light of His Stand and Presence in Spirit and in Truth?  Yes. Of course it does!  I can feel your excitement Charles and I welcome the joy ahead for you. We all will see each other and we are being united under the auspices and Spirit of Christ to receive that great gift of seeing one another for the first time face to face as He is! I get chills just writing this.

1Th 3:6  But Timothy has just now come back to us from you and has told us the good news about your faith and love. He also told us that you always have fond memories of us and want to see us, JUST AS WE WANT TO SEE YOU.


--- Quote ---Somebody will be ready to kill somebody. I just hope the only thing I refute is false doctrine through the word of God.
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Spot on Charles. They are ready willing and able to kill our bodies but not our souls. We are being prepared to kill their idolitary with that swift clean blade of the sword of the Word of God that cuts between the marrow and the bone as we are to reveal the intentions, false beliefs and errors of their thinking! That is the second death of chastisement when they realize that God rebukes them, knows them not and is Present to US His children. They do not know His Voice. They are not His Sheep. We are the children of God that have no desire to harm their bodies as they delight at the though of our bodies burning in their pagan hell holes of barren dark evil depravities that court their every thought as dark deep despairing lonely dungeons of relief for their own souls caught in lies and errors. The righteous of God is their key out into the Light of healing warmth and new living spreading their wings for the first time – then they will sing! Not scream, gargle or gurgle their filthy and bloodied platitudes. Then everything will be good in the world when Gods judgements are in the earth and the inhabitants learn His Righteousness. For what else are we here for Charles if not for that life and Hope! Bring it on! :)..."Oh REALLY!"...L Ray Smith quote... :)

The “physical aftermaths of Babylon” are like the birth of a baby that is cleaned of the mess it is in because of what it has to go through to be born. Ever seen a baby being born? It is not that pretty picture you see in the TV adds for baby food. Oh no!

The physical aftermaths of Babylon for us are those dead pieces of flesh and the cut umbilical cord that held us attached to its doctrines of darkness. Indianabob, once posted a brilliant post that medically describes the way a baby is changed to dependence on the womb for food and air and how its lungs are changed in half an hour, to breath new life after it is smacked to shock it into breathing.

You might have to do the same for a few babies out there needing a wake up call, whack, wallop, thump, slap or clout Charles! If you ever get a baby by both heals and you have them hanging upside down and it is not breathing, give it a hard swift slap across the behind but make sure you have cut the umbilical cord first…..that part won’t hurt them.


--- Quote ---Are you saying that because we left Babylon, Babylon is now after us...
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No. They can’t see us they just feel tight, uncomfortable and ready to be born when we get round them. For that they will kill us any way they can to keep the soft cozy comforts of their watery dark and false ideas of what life is really like in the Kingdom of God.

We all have to go through the birth canal of death to the world we knew in order to be born again. Remember conception and birth are the same word in Greek. We are already born, conceived. The birth is the painful, scary and very challenging experience in the babies passage from darkness to light. Very scary. Very hidden to public curiosity and embarrassing nudity required for the operation. Dignity, gentleness and knowing what you are doing is requisite to delivering the little ones and then the training begins.

You wanted my response. Okay so now it’s like the water has broken. The birth pangs are ahead. For every stinging birth pang that Ray has answered in the pressure that is too much for some to bear,  when they get exposed for their erroneous beliefs in darkness, they too, shall come to see and know Ray as the Spiritual Giant he is to a world of many small rebellious, few godly children all of God, waiting to be born.
 
I hope this does not sound too convoluted for you. Getting born is no small event.

We all have to get a slap in the process. It is really tough! That is where the real work begins.

Joy to you Charles and to Marques our brother as you meet for the first time face to face.  Joy and blessing to you both!

Arc

judith collier:
Oh Arcturus, Linny and Charles what a delight you all are!!!
There have been several times when I saw attacks from people who previously had been my good friends as the works of the evil one. I mean I KNEW where these attacks were coming from because the Holy Spirit made my senses stand on edge. It was ethereal. I could see clearly these friends were pawns and didn't even know it. You guys really, Count it all Joy. Hold your ground and be still. Do not defend yourself or your beliefs. When Jesus was lead to  to the slaughter remember he said to Herod, barely anything, except " thou sayest it" Jesus knew that nothing more or less than what the Father had ordained was going to happen to Him. Was it pleasant, No. Nobody attacks unless something in their life is being threatened,  their belief system, their money, their reputation, their relationship with you, you name it. You guys have struck deep into them, nothing will ever be the same in them again even though it might appear otherwise.
I actually had joy knowing I was put in a position of persecution because in this I saw God and whatever He was doing was going to be good.  The results were fantastic over time. I was apologized to and a different Spirit came over them, our conversations changed, I had more influence but i didn't use it to convert them to my beliefs but subtly challenged them by my behavior towards them

Ninny:
Hey guys! I haven't added to this thread, but I've been reading it all..I've been busy for the last week because my brother and his wife were visiting me...I wanted to share something that has happened in my life this past week...Arc, I appreciate that you have started this!

I have family members who also think I'm crazy for not going to church and being on this forum and reading the works of L. Ray Smith..although they know little of what I believe...I have been sort of a "rebel" in my family for many years..because many years ago I broke with tradition and became a Seventh Day Adventist! My parents did not judge me because of that...They were just happy that I was the only one of their 6 children at that time who was a Christian and went to church! One thing my dad said to me when he was dying was that I would help my brother who is just younger than I, and his wife to find the Lord and I told him I would...I don't think I really did that! I have often wondered why his dying wish was for that brother and not my other brother or my sisters to find God! And why did he want ME to do it??

Over the years through hard trials my brother and his wife have definitely found God! A long time ago I shared some of their trials on this forum..

Fast forward to last summer...We took a trip to Arkansas to visit my brother and his wife...I spent several days with them and we talked about our experiences in the Lord..I told them some of the things I have learned about God in the time I have been reading and studying on Bible Truths for the last almost 6 years, now...They marveled at all the things I shared with them! My sister-in-law was so impressed when I told them about all of my brothers and sisters on this forum and the things we have shared together here! She said, "Wow! I wish I had a place like that where I go share and fellowship!" They belong to a little church, I visited there when we were with them in Arkansas...The people there are friendly and they have a very nice pastor...My brother and his wife and I talked for hours last summer, just sharing what God has done!  8)

Then they came here last week...and we talked and my sister in law said.."When you left last summer I told Lonnie (my brother) that I enjoyed our talks so much and that I was going to miss talking to you about what God has done!"  Well, it all boils down to this...My brother and his wife believe and understand that God will NOT burn His enemies in the fires of Hell for all eternity!! There are many things we shared, but I felt most pressing was to show them that God is LOVE, not hate and vengeance!! They believe this!! We talked about judgment, punishment, and eternity!! We talked about our "free" will and that God's will is GOING to be done! I was nervous at first, but God is good and He softened the whole scene for me! God knows that I am not a forceful person...I can't use fancy words, or smooth talk...I just told them what I believe and we shared scriptures and they understand that the Bible is not necessarily "scripture" they even call it "the Word"! So God was ready for them to understand that part of His character! I am just saying this because we know that nothing we do can convince anyone, but God brings whom He will..and I told my brother that when Jesus said,  "No one can come to Me if ever the Father Who sends Me should not be drawing him. And I shall be raising him in the last day." John 6:44 CLV
actually means that God really drags us...in any way He sees fit!  They love their Strong's Concordance so it was easy for them to look that up!! and they had their computer here so I downloaded E-sword for them, they were really excited about that!  :D

So what I'm saying to all of you is don't be discouraged by people who don't accept you or believe you...even if they are in your own family...because God has His own and He will send them to learn the truth!! You live it, and God will honor it in ways we may never understand! I always think of the line in the movie, Field of Dreams where Ray hears a whisper, "If you build it we will come.." Well God tells us "if you build it, (not a big fancy church building...it's trust) they will come" So just keep yourselves in the truth and be steadfast...God will do the rest!  :D
Kathy ;)

Kat:

Hi Charles,

Matt 5:14  Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hid.
v. 15  Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
v. 16  Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Yes continue to "Let your light so shine before men," but know your actions speak louder than words and the way you live is a witness to the truth. As Judy said, "I had more influence but i didn't use it to convert them to my beliefs but subtly challenged them by my behavior towards them." That's right, it's not so much that we are trying to convert our family and friends, but shine a light into the darkness.

Php 1:27  Only let your conduct be worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that whether I come and see you or am absent, I may hear of your affairs, that you stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel,
v. 28  and not in any way terrified by your adversaries, which is to them a proof of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that from God.
v. 29  For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake,

We are living examples of the Truth, as our behavior is being watched by this world. This does bring on persecution, as the world loves it's own, we no longer belong to them and they know it and they will continue to try to brag us back down to where they are.

John 17:14  I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.

But we do not have to fear the world/Babylon. We are in Christ and He is indwelling in us too and we know that none of this world has power over Him because He has overcome it - to subdue (literally or figuratively): - conquer, overcome, prevail, get the victory.

John 16:33  These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world."

But we are not sitting idlely by, no indeed, we are busy preparing, it is a daily quest to "Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth" (2Tim 2:15). In order to be strong and to stand firm in these Truths they must be written on our hearts, which can only come from delegent and continued study of His word.

Eph 6:10  Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might.
v. 11  Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
v. 12  For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
v. 13  Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
v. 14  Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness,
v. 15  and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
v. 16  above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one.
v. 17  And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God;
v. 18  praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints--

mercy, peace and love
Kat

Linny:
I just wanted to say how much I have loved, needed, and learned from this thread!  ;D :-*
Thank you to all who have participated.
Lin

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