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spirit bodies-vs spirit
gallenwalsh:
I have heard Ray say that we will eventually have spirit bodies, we will not be spirits. Which made me start thinking about God and Gods spirit. I have also heard that God is a spirit and that his spirit fills everything and is everywhere all at once and that the heavens and heavens heavens cannot contain him.So, if Christ has a spirit body as well, Does the Father have a Body? Or is he just a gigantic spirit that is everywhere?Sounds rather childish even as I write this but it just got me thinking about Christ and the Father and their differences.
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi gallenwalsh
Just for starters, God is not a Spirit. God IS SPIRIT. :)
There is much more to add to your question. I expect others will come forward to help reply to you more fully. :)
Arc
Kat:
Hi Gallenwalsh,
Here is an excerpt from the transcript of 'The Father's Will' Mobile conference 06.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3720.msg27960.html#msg27960 ---
where is God? in heaven? Well, where is heaven? Waaay up there?
He is not far from any one of us, but what does that have to do with the theory, you have to go worship in a church or on this day or that day? He is not far from any of us! We don’t pay attention to the words.
GOD IS SPIRIT, but nowhere in scripture does it say, God is a Spirit, God is Spirit.
v. 28 “For in Him we live, and move, and have our being (we exist in Him), as certain even of your own poets have said, for we are also His offspring.”
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So let’s think about this a little bit, who is the Father? In Him we live and breath and have our being. Liken the ocean to the Spirit of God, and liken us to the fish. The fish are 95% water, the ocean is in the fish, and the fish are in the ocean, get it.
A bird has very porous bones, because they have to be very light. It flies in the heavens, it breaths fast, because it needs strength and oxygen. So the air (which is like the Spirit of God, which is what he calls it in the NT, Greek word for spirit is pheuma), the expanse is even called heaven, where the bird flies, and liken the air to the Spirit of God. The bird has air in him and is flying through the air.
Now this is what the Scriptures say, we are in God and God is in us. So, get it out of your head that God is a man, sitting on a stone throne, like Abraham Lincoln in Washington D.C., an old man with gray hair. God is right here, it (Bible) says so, we have to just listen to the words.
God is Spirit, it also says God is invisible, you can’t see Him, not literally. We can see Him in Spirit, as in our heart, in our mind, our soul, our spirit, in our innermost being.
The thing that makes us different from plants and other animals, is we can see God. I’m trying to help you right now, to see God. So when you leave here, you will see God in a way you didn’t, when you walked in here. If God opens it up to you, I can only tell you, but God must open it up for you to grasp it.
God is here, not here because we are here, but He was here before we got here and He’ll still be after we leave. Because this desk is here and this desk has it's cohesion in Jesus Christ. It is through Jesus Christ that this desk holds together or it would fall apart. It takes energy and power, what is the source of the power, Jesus Christ, which comes from the Father and it’s passed off out of Him. One Father, one God, all and everything is out of Him. GOD IS ALMIGHTY!
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We’re in Him and He’s in us, because He’s Spirit. Not a Spirit, in some geographical location. The reason God knows everything, is in all places at all times, is because that’s where He is. He’s Spirit and He refers to Himself as Spirit. My Spirit is here, there and everywhere.
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David was inspired to write, where can I go to get away from you God, up to heaven, down to sheol, (Psalms 139:7-12).
There’s no place I can go, where you are not. Why? God is Spirit, God is not a man, get that out of your head. He (God) tells us that, God is not a man... Jesus Christ is a man.
Where is God? EVERYWHERE!
If you're in a life raft, out in the middle of the ocean, you don’t have to cry out to God, to help you. God can see you, in the big ocean. He’s there, whether He’ll help, that’s a different story. But He is there.
I clipped this saying years ago and pasted it in the front of my Bible,
'Thy ocean, O Lord, is so great and my boat is so small.'
It’s the truth, we are pretty small in the universe. Everything is out of God.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
gallenwalsh:
Most excellent, I like it ! God is spirit. Is Christ spirit or a man or both ? Christ was not always a man ? But became a man and is now a spirit once again? As we have seen him he has a spiritual body or did have a spiritual body I am confused. When we see Christ we will be like him in what way ? Character or composition or both ?
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: gallenwalsh on March 07, 2010, 10:57:23 AM ---Most excellent, I like it ! God is spirit. Is Christ spirit or a man or both ? Christ was not always a man ? But became a man and is now a spirit once again? As we have seen him he has a spiritual body or did have a spiritual body I am confused. When we see Christ we will be like him in what way ? Character or composition or both ?
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1 Cor 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty
1. Yes, Christ is spirit but also a man or male [1 Tim 2:5].
2. I don't know why you would think Christ was not always a man.
3. Yes, He emptied Himself, not to become a man, but for the purpose of dying [Phil 2:8] and was raised in a spiritual body as We, who continue in the faith, will do at His coming.
4. Yes, He was raised in a spiritual body, with power (changed appearance, go through solid objects, be 'like the wind' [John 3:8]).
5. Yes, we will 'see Him as He is' and we will be 'like Him' in character and spiritual body with power. But Christ will always be preminent and is King of Kings (that's us, the KingS).
Hope this helps,
Marques
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