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Could the Pharaoh have done any different?
Craig:
--- Quote ---I tried to tell him differently, but he said something that had me thinking. He said the phrase "God hardened Pharaoh's heart" means that "the idea of Israel's God hardened Pharaoh's heart", and not that God took an active role in hardening his heart.
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Here's the deal, you are going to have to make a decision. You have questioned over and over again, you have been presented scriptures that make the answers to the questions obvious, like Kat in this thread.
--- Quote ---Exo 10:20 But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart...
Exo 10:27 But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart...
Exo 11:10 ...and the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart..
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I understand your worry and thoughts, I even understand your doubts. The time has come though, where you need to listen the the inner voice who has led you here, turn your worries over to God and Christ and live a life as a follower of Christ. Or....continue talking to those who are not being shown the truth, and visit websites of those who try and tear down our loving Father and replace Him with a pagan god. You need to decide.
You've straddled the fence long enough, now is the time to get on your feet and start maturing in the word of God.
Craig
Marky Mark:
--- Quote ---You've straddled the fence long enough, now is the time to get on your feet and start maturing in the word of God.
Craig
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Lupac,believe the Word and move forward in your walk with Christ.
Mat 15:9 Their worship of me is pointless, because their teachings are rules made by humans.'"
Isa 29:13 And saying is Yahweh, "Forasmuch as close to Me is this people with their mouth, and with their lips they glorify Me, yet their heart is far from Me, and their fear of Me is becoming as the instruction of mortals' teaching."
Peace...Mark
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Lupac
Instead of trying to understand the blind, try to understand the believers who are not decieved regarding the false teachers and in reference to their loving council towards you. Take no offence.
--- Quote ---Hello. I've been talking with someone, who is a very big believer in "free-will". He stated that he "firmly believes that Pharaoh could have at any time chosen to repent
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Their “firm belief” carries a lot of hype that appears convincing. Don’t let the emotion of conviction self assurance and pride filled self confidence, fool you Lupac! Their convictions are empty and their confidence is blind.
Pro 14:2 He that walketh in his uprightness feareth the LORD: but he that is perverse in his ways despiseth Him.
Your "firm believer" firmly believes that he commands, directs and supervises the goodness of God by which we repent.
Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
So a firm believer in free will, despises, loathes and derides the riches of Gods goodness. He looks down on and hates the forbearance, self-control, tolerance, leniency, mercy and patience of God. He scorns and spurns the longsuffering, forgiving and tolerance of God. He does not know that all these fine, wonderful and magnificent attributes of God through God’s Goodness, LEADS, shows the way, directs, guides and escorts us to repentance.
--- Quote ---he "firmly believes that Pharaoh could have at any time ………….come to God,
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Don't be decieved on how firmly he believes in a lie or a false teaching Lupac. Has he ever gone to see any human being without an appointment? Can you or I go to any professional person worth their salt, without permission? How does this firm believer imagine it is possible to see God who is higher than any person, greater than any office held by any person and more Holy than anyone, how can this person you were talking to, how can such a belief hold any sanity? It is insane!
--- Quote ---and God wouldn't have done anything else to him, but would have accepted him and his repentance."
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So God accepts human repentance. God takes direction from humans. What does this person really think of God? How much contempt for God can one single person have?
--- Quote ---I tried to tell him differently, but he said something that had me thinking. He said the phrase "God hardened Pharaoh's heart" means that "the idea of Israel's God hardened Pharaoh's heart",
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So the Word of God is worth nothing right? When God says HE hardened Pharaoh’s heart, it means a nation named Israel who had an idea of God is what hardened the heart of Pharaoh. God actually had nothing to do with it. The nation Israel is more important, ranks higher and is the reason why Pharaoh got the idea and was influenced by a nation not by God even though God said He was the cause. That simply does not count.
--- Quote ---and not that God took an active role in hardening his heart. I really don't care to talk to this person anymore, he won't listen, but this question is for me. Do we have proof that God actively hardened the Pharaoh's heart?
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Jesus Christ showed where the PROOF is. When He had a famous exchange with Satan, the PROOF that Jesus referred to which was good enough for Satan, was when Jesus said….IT IS WRITTEN.
If you go to court, what is WRITTEN has power. If you can say something, anything, and cannot put it in writing, then it is worth nothing. Contracts are in writing. God’s Word is a contract to us and it carries the Authority that is higher than any human court or judiciary of the earth. Think about that.
--- Quote ---And that the Pharaoh had no choice in the matter? Thanks. (I'm reading Ray's paper on "free-will" for about the third time, there's so much in it.)
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Neither have you had any “choice” but to write to the Forum and ask your question. Neither did Judas Iscariot have any choice but to go and do quickly what he was caused by his own preferences from his weak heart, to go and do.
No choice can so often feel to mean as if there are no other options. Of course there are OPTIONS there is only ONE PREFERANCE. The one preference we all make in the face of many or several or only two choices, is EVERY TIME the ONE preference above all options that we can make. That preference reflects out of our heart condition. The weaker the heart, the less Godly the preferences.
Look at what you have been listening to and look at what it means to accomodate a person who believes in free will, and then maybe you can decide where you prefer to be aquainted. :)
Arc
Phil3:10:
Lupac,
GOD'S will and not free will and final reconciliation not hell makes so much more sense to me. This has helped me so much in my daily life. All is of GOD, carnal man is so very little but GOD does have a wonderful plan for all. Craig is so very right, just believe and your life will be so much more simple. GOD is so far beyond any conception that the mind of man can conceive that we will never be able to understand HIS greatness. Just honor and praise HIS wonderful name.
In HIM,
Phil3:10
Roy Coates:
(KJV) Jer 10:2a Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, ..........
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