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Concerning God's Will/Intention
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Ricky on March 23, 2010, 07:16:44 AM ---Hi Marques, the Lord planned everything that happened in this event in Atlanta, to me that would mean that He did this before He created life for us?
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I never stated that He didn't and neither does Ray in the excerpt provided. What Ray is stating, and I was trying to emphasize, is that the stopping or preventing of a crime was planned in the beginning as well. We are not in disagreement about that point.
--- Quote from: Ricky on March 23, 2010, 07:16:44 AM --- any miracles that happen today that ARE done by the Lord were already done by Him, BEFORE, HE does not do them today they ARE already done, is this correct?
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Any and all miracles today were PLANNED by the Lord...they are not actually 'done' until completed. The Lord planned the children of Israel to escape through the Red Sea but it was not 'done' until they actually escaped through.
--- Quote from: Ricky on March 23, 2010, 07:16:44 AM --- I have some trouble with this event in Atlanta being consider a miracle by the Lord, it appears that the police were just doing their job talking this man out of it. When the Lord fed thousands of people with a couple of fish, that is a miracle to me. Thanks for all your help Marques.
Bless you all. Ricky
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Well that is simply a difference of opinion but not one that should sow discord. I believe we are in agreement in that God planned out any and all events before creation. The point I tried to present from the LOF-15C was that the stopping and prevention of events, such as crime, was planned out in the beginning as well. All is truly of God.
Thanks,
Marques
Deborah-Leigh:
--- Quote ---If your heart has its next beat, then God did it. It doesn't beat without Him
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That is beautiful John. Thank you for sharing that!
How about instead of being the fish.... looking for the Ocean :D sorry, just in jest.. :)....how about us being a drop on the Star Board of a Great Ship out to sea and as the Ship tips, we, the drop, in fear and great trepidation, we roll where we do not want to roll and then we fall where we do not want to fall and we meet the Ocean and our self is no longer self as God becomes all in all. No more drop in the ocean...no more ego, no more carnal self....God all in all...no more tear drops! :)
Arc
Stacey:
Ricky
--- Quote --- I have some trouble with this event in Atlanta being consider a miracle by the Lord, it appears that the police were just doing their job talking this man out of it.
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To you this may not be a miracle, to others its easy to see it was a miracle. You suggest that a miracle by your standard of choice would need to be on the scale the same as Jesus and the fish and thats fine, we all have our preferences but, to others, they do not need that to be convinced of a miracle by God. I thought the Atlanta example was a great one.
Life is a miracle. We all live out a miracle every day. Only not all of us can see it that way and need a bigger sign.
Ricky
--- Quote ---What crimes and what evils does He stop
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Any and all of them that are stopped. Here is the proof.
Marques
--- Quote ---Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of Him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
Col 1:16-17 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
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1 Corinthians 12:6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
Marques
--- Quote ---All is truly of God.
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That's about as truthful and simple as it can be put into words.
Ricky
--- Quote ---Hi Marques, the Lord planned everything that happened in this event in Atlanta, to me that would mean that He did this before He created life for us? any miracles that happen today that ARE done by the Lord were already done by Him, BEFORE, HE does not do them today they ARE already done, is this correct?
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I have heard people use the analogy of life is a movie that has already been made and we are living it out. Which would kind of go along with what you are indicating here that God has already done the miracles BEFORE. Not that you used it but, I don't think the movie analogy is a very good one and neither can I agree with you that God has done anything before it actually happens.
1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Things that have not happened yet, including miracles.
The Script may be written (miracles included) for life but the actual playing out of it has not occurred until it happens. And not that you used the movie thingy but just to add to why it really doesn't work; all the characters in a movie already know what their part will be where as in real life, we only know how the movie will end, God will be All in All, but what happens in the mean time in all our parts that we play, we do not know from one word to the next what will be. Only God knows.
Proverbs 16: 9. A man's heart deviseth his way: but the Lord directeth his steps.
--- Quote from: Arcturus on March 23, 2010, 03:10:04 PM ---
--- Quote ---If your heart has its next beat, then God did it. It doesn't beat without Him
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That is beautiful John. Thank you for sharing that!
How about instead of being the fish.... looking for the Ocean :D sorry, just in jest.. :)....how about us being a drop on the Star Board of a Great Ship out to sea and as the Ship tips, we, the drop, in fear and great trepidation, we roll where we do not want to roll and then we fall where we do not want to fall and we meet the Ocean and our self is no longer self as God becomes all in all. No more drop in the ocean...no more ego, no more carnal self....God all in all...no more tear drops! :)
Arc
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Tipping ships sounds like trouble to me Arc! :) When a ship moves to and fro in the sea it is called Roll and Pitch. Rolling from side to side, port to starboard or vise versa, or Pitching, the bow or stern of it going up or down. The ship analogy has always been my favorite concerning explaining to some degree how everything works, I'll give you one guess why but, I tend to see it a little different than you.
We are passengers on ships sailing, always moving, rolling and pitching to some degree. Sometimes it is smooth sailing and sometimes its very rough.
God is the Ocean below us and the sky above us. We are in and under mercy, grace and judgment of God each and every minute though out every day. He causes the seas to rise or fall, the winds to blow and be calm, the integrity of our ship to withstand or crumble, sometimes in need of repair, all this by His will. I say we are passengers on ships because so many share very similar life experiences that it seems they may be on the same boat as others and then there are different lives and experiences, different ships in many shapes and sizes on many diverse paths and routes but, all the ships and all the passengers are being conformed to the will of God all the time! I'll stop there.
Sorry to the OP if it seems I might be trying to swipe your thread. :)
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi John and Stacey
Yea John - snow flakes....like finger prints....much better :D :)
Stacey, the drop on the ship is like our lives when we see the uncertainty and can not control the boat :D :D...The drop could have been a dew drop or rain drop falling from the sky and splashing into a river and going down stream to the Ocean.....It is all good. :)
There are multiple ways of seeing things as the Parables confirm. They speak from different perspectives but say the same thing. :)
This does not make one parable better or more correct than another. It makes variety the spice of life and unity in diversity is a gift of God.
Arc
aqrinc:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on March 23, 2010, 06:50:50 PM ---Hi Deborah,
I agree with you , up to a point. I agree no more carnal self. But, what about a Godly self, a Godly ego? Billions and billions of widgets exactly the same would soon get boring. Billions and billions of snowflakes, with the same Godly character, but no two alike, every one different, would make an interesting eternity (oops) immortality. Think how interesting it would be to go around and meet everyone (even the vegetarians).
John
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--- Quote from: Arcturus on March 24, 2010, 03:39:13 AM ---Hi John and Stacey
Yea John - snow flakes....like finger prints....much better :D :)
Stacey, the drop on the ship is like our lives when we see the uncertainty and can not control the boat :D :D...The drop could have been a dew drop or rain drop falling from the sky and splashing into a river and going down stream to the Ocean.....It is all good. :)
There are multiple ways of seeing things as the Parables confirm. They speak from different perspectives but say the same thing. :)
This does not make one parable better or more correct than another. It makes variety the spice of life and unity in diversity is a gift of God.
Arc
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Yes, Yes, Yes, aka Ditto.
george ;D :-* ;D.
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