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Parable of the Nobleman?
Lupac:
Hey, I was wondering what the meaning behind the parable in Luke 19:12-27 is. I'll put it down here:
--- Quote ---Luke 19:12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
Luke 19:13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
Luke 19:14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
Luke 19:15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
Luke 19:16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.
Luke 19:17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
Luke 19:18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.
Luke 19:19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.
Luke 19:20 And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:
Luke 19:21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.
Luke 19:22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:
Luke 19:23 Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?
Luke 19:24 And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds.
Luke 19:25 (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.)
Luke 19:26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.
Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
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The nobleman is Jesus, but what about the rest? What is this parable saying? Thanks.
EDIT: Is Jesus even the nobleman? I'm not sure...
judith collier:
Hi lupac, I don't see Jesus as the nobleman, but rather Jesus is like the nobleman and we are the servants. And I don't think it is about money either but our gifts and talents God has given us. We are to use them, each as much as is given to him. We aren't to bury or let them lie dormant. If I am mistaken fine but this is how I have always understood it. I am sure many who are more versed tham myself will answer also. Judy
claypot:
--- Quote from: Lupac on March 25, 2010, 09:18:58 PM ---Hey, I was wondering what the meaning behind the parable in Luke 19:12-27 is. I'll put it down here:
--- Quote ---Luke 19:12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
Luke 19:13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
Luke 19:14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
Luke 19:15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
Luke 19:16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.
Luke 19:17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
Luke 19:18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.
Luke 19:19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.
Luke 19:20 And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:
Luke 19:21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.
Luke 19:22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:
Luke 19:23 Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?
Luke 19:24 And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds.
Luke 19:25 (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.)
Luke 19:26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.
Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
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The nobleman is Jesus, but what about the rest? What is this parable saying? Thanks.
EDIT: Is Jesus even the nobleman? I'm not sure...
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Does Ray teach anywhere on this parable? I am especially stumped on the part:
Luke 19:21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.
Luke 19:22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:
I always think of God as reaping what He sows and Jesus as laying down His life and taking it up again.
Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down , and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.jn10.17
cp
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Lupac on March 25, 2010, 09:18:58 PM ---Hey, I was wondering what the meaning behind the parable in Luke 19:12-27 is.
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Excerpts from Foundation Truths bible study (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,6452.0.html):
PRINCIPLE TO ALL THE PARABLES
Now I want to zero in on a principle here that will help us understand a whole lot more than we think we do. But when you get all bogged down with this… so much knowledge and so many pages to learn, you’ve got to come back to this principle. You can grow from there, but come back to this foundation. Because that’s where you are building, you are building on the foundation. So how many parables must we know in order to know all parables? Christ said in Mark 4.
Mark 4:13 And He said unto them, Know ye not THIS parable? (or do you understand the meaning of this parable, obviously they did not, because they ask Him what does it mean) and how then will ye know all parables?
There is a real key teaching. If you don’t understand this parable, He says how can you understand the rest of them? But on the other hand, if you do understand this parable you can understand the rest of them. You only need to understand one really well and you know them all.
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Now He is going to explain it, He said because…
Mark 4:11 …Unto YOU it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
Well wait a minute we have just learned something all over there again. What are the parables about? The called and the chosen, the many and the few. Now what did He say there? He just told us that, did you get it or did you just read over it and you missed it? Read it again. How many times have you read that and you missed it. YOU are the few chosen, YOU will understand these things. "Without" I teach in parables, the many hear Me, but THEY don’t get it.
Mark 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand;
So there is your two groups. This is not talking about the same person being split down the middle or something. This is talking about the called and the chosen.
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So there are two different groups throughout the parables. You have the new wine and the old wine skins. The sower that we just went through with the sower. You have the tares and the wheat. The tares and the wheat are growing together, but they are not the same. Because those that are the tares will be thrown into fire. You can not be gathered into the barn and thrown into the fire at the same time. People will not be in the kingdom of God and in the fire at the same time. There comes a part where you separate these two and that happens at resurrection. Those that enter the kingdom and those that are without and are going to be judged.
Sometimes a parable will emphasize the Elect, sometimes it puts emphasis on the many. But the opposite is always in view. They talk about the bad, but that doesn’t negate the fact that this is the opposite of those that are good.
Email reply from Ray (http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,166.0.html):
Dear Wes:
My statement that all parables are the same parable is not based on one verse. That one verse is merely a signpost to that conclusion. If you look at every single parable individually, it is speaking of the same thing. One day I will go through many of them so that you will see this fact. There are many more parables than those listed by theologians as parables. The whole of Christ's teachings is one giant parable. I have even gone so far as to say that the entire Bible is one giant PARALBE, first stated in parabolic form in Gen. 1.
God be with you,
Ray
Also, just because the wicked servant called his master 'austere' [Gk. 'harsh; rigid'] does not make it true. His master says in the next verse that the servant's very words would be his judgment. The master goes along with his statement and states that if the servant believed he was so harsh, the servant could have simply allowed his talent to gain interest in the bank [v23]. The Master used the very words of the servant as judgment against him.
Matt 12:36 I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
As Ray points out, every parable is about the called and the chosen. In each parable that uses a person or group of people, those who DO the will of God represent the Chosen. Those who DO NOT represent the Called.
Hope this helps,
Marques
claypot:
It does help, me anyway, Marq. Thanks.
So are you saying the parable here is God communicating to us that the chosen will get rewarded and the called will get punished in some manner?
I like your take on how the nobleman was maybe not austere. Thought provoking.
cp
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