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Need help with 2 Cor verse 8
longhorn:
I seem to have suffered a brain fart. Can someone direct me to where Ray talks about the mis-translation of this verse.
Love in Christ
Longhorn
Ninny:
Longhorn, what chapter?
mharrell08:
2 Corinthians Chapter 5, right?
2 Cor 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
Email reply from Ray (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3202.msg23890.html#msg23890):
Dear Bob:
I get this same question every few days, year after year. First, there is NO such Scripture as is referenced in your email, and that is quoted a million times a day by Christian worldwide: "To be absent from the body IS to be present with the lord." Read it yourself. Here is what it says:
"We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body AND TO BE present with the Lord."
The words "AND to be" puts this presence with the Lord at a time INTO THE FUTURE after Paul's death at a time of resurrection. Paul did not LIE when he taught us that He, like all saints, would be resurrected from the DEAD, not at his death, but AT THE LAST TRUMP (I Cor. 15:52).
God be with you,
Ray
Email reply from Ray (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3138.msg23389.html#msg23389):
Dear Norm:
I get asked that question continually. People think there is a verse in the Bible that says: "To be absent from the body IS to be present with the Lord." There is no such verse. It says, "To be absent from the body AND TO BE [future tense] present with the Lord" (II Cor. 5:08). NO ONE meets the Lord before the "Last Trump" as Paul himself declared in I Cor. 15:52.
God be with you,
Ray
Email reply from Ray (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5470.msg43654.html#msg43654):
Dear Bertram: No, it DOESN'T say that "...the INSTANT we are way from our bodies we are present with the Lord." Where do you see that word "instant" in Scripture. Paul wrote these verses. Did Paul know when he personally would be "with the Lord?" Yes, of course he did: "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye [yes, but WHEN?], AT THE LAST TRUMP, for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we {notice that Paul includes himself, that he will be DEAD, and 'the DEAD shall be raised.' One of those 'dead' will be Paul himself]...." (I Cor. 15:52). So did Paul lie, and mean that he would be changed "instantly" as you suggest AT death, rather than FROM the dead, AT THE LAST TRUMP?
God be with you,
Ray
Marques
longhorn:
My bad, Chapter 5 " Well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord " NKJV and " We would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord " English Standard Version. Somewhere Ray talks about how this verse should properly be translated, but like I said, having a bad brain day.
Longhorn
longhorn:
Thanks mharrell08.
Longhorn
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