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Brett:

--- Quote from: Chris R on July 02, 2006, 09:36:31 PM ---Hello,

This one verse really sums up Gods Responsiblity :

Romans 8:20 For the creature [mankind] was made subject to vanity,[sin] not willingly, but by reason of him [God] who hath subjected the same in hope,

We were created subject to sin..Not Willingly... But by God.
Again this is HOW God creates man in his image..

Pretty cool !

Chris R

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Chris R,

Very good verse and brief comment!   ;)


Brett
(deaf)

Falconn003:
mannonthecross

Geee...... that is a good question you started this thread with........Have you thought to ask Ray himself about it ??

Ward:

--- Quote ---Let me over simplify  it even more.
If I asked your two boys to play baseball with me in your front yard, and one of them hit a ball and broke your window, I would be responsible for the action that caused the window to be broken, but the boy that broke it would be held accountable for the broken window.

I don't know, maybe that is too overly simplified, but it does show that the two words are not exactly synonymous.

Tim

In this case tho, It would be God who would be actually causing you, on purpose, to break the window.
So He was responsible, but the kid (you, me) will end up paying to fix it.

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Just a thought here...  I don't think that "...the kid (you, me) will end up paying to fix it."  God has already "paid" thru the crucifixion of His Son, Christ Jesus.  The price is paid, but the Father, God, is/will be the best of fathers and bother to teach "the kid (you, me)" so that you will be the child he wants you to be.

Maybe that's overly simplified, too

Ward

MG:
Hi Everyone,

I'm new to bible-truths.com

The statement about not being responsible, but being accountable jumped off the page when I read it and made me smile.

The church would try to make us repsponsible. 

I'm not sure what Ray meant by his statement, but this is what I think it might mean.

Not Responsible

Romans 5:11-13 (King James Version)

11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.


Romans 7:7-20 (King James Version)

 7What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

 8But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence.For without the law sin was dead.

 9For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

 10And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

11For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

 12Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

 13Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

 14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

 15For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

 16If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

 17Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

 18For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

 19For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

 20Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.


Being accountable

Romans 3 (King James Version)

19Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1 John 1:10
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

James 5:16
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

My understanding is that we are not responsible for the sin passed down through Adam that we inherited, but to agree with God that we have sin is being accountable.

An example of this would be in Luke. The Pharisee was not accountable and the publican was.

Luke 18:10-14 (King James Version)
 
10Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

 11The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

 12I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

 13And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

 14I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

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