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View of the cross?
Lupac:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on April 21, 2010, 12:00:33 PM ---I don't recall where the statement was made by Ray, but Jesus came and died to prove God loved the world. That's the meaning of Jn 3:16.
Is that the be-all-and-end-all answer? Every scriptural reason for Jesus's death is true and part of the same thing.
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Wow, I never thought of it like that. I'm sorry Marques, I may have overreacted. Dave, thanks. In my first post, what I was trying to say is, every view I've read on the cross boils down to: God "needed" perfect blood to "fix" what we "broke". So I was wanting to know what the true, Scriptural view was/is. Sorry I wasn't more clear.
soberxp:
Lupac
you wanted to know why Jesus had to die on the cross.
cuz Satan Seduced Eve eating the forbidden fruit,
Eve be tempted to crime,These charges are suicide and murder of her husband, ;D a little funny,but there has a perpetrators behind the scenes,Satan.
she must be pregnant,to proliferation of life-sustaining.（you should think about God's salvation plan is ready.God is righteous and fair,as the police to find the perpetrators behind the scenes.）
As human ancestors, Eve and Adam Disobedient to God commanded，so as their offspring, our world Always full of wars and conflicts.
God want to save human,but How to make this seem fair to Satan ::)?(we should know god want to kill Satan ;D) that's why Jesus had to die on the cross.
mercy,Peace,fun,love
Soberxp
Dave in Tenn:
While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. It was prophecied, foreshadowed, and typified in countless ways in the Old Covenants. Jesus died in obedience to the Father. As He is in the world, so are we. He died as an example. We take up our own cross and follow Him. That's not near the end of it.
There's more scriptural 'reasons' for the death of Christ than can be listed in a web-forum. People err, in my opinion, when they strive to make any one of them true to the exclusion of the others. That's theology. Truth is all the same grand thing.
Marky Mark:
Lupac,can you see the contrast? Our Father is all so Wise. ;)
http://bible-truths.com/lake8.html
THE CHURCH OF EPHESUS
"To him that overcomes will I give to eat of the tree of life" (Rev. 2:7).
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That’s CHRIST.
"Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection and [I am] the LIFE� (John 11:25).
The KJV translates "tree" in this verse from the Greek word xulon. Here is Strong’s definition of xulon: "timber (for fuel or material); by impl. a stick, club or tree or wooden art. or substance … xulon, wood, a piece of wood, anything made of wood." The word "tree" does fit what is spoken of in this verse, but when we come to Rev. 22:2, "tree of life" does not seem to fit as well.
"In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life…" (Rev. 22:2).
How do we have one tree of life on BOTH sides of the river?
One translation translates both of these verses as "wood of life." Another has, "log of life." Interestingly, one translation has this footnote, Wood is the primary significance of zulon, and may here denote, as in Rev. xxii, an aggregation of dendra, or trees, commonly called a wood, or forest; a xulon of life, occupying a place on both sides of the river."
What a marvelous word picture God has presented to us in these words. Jesus Christ is first and foremost, "The" [singular] Tree of Life. This is the Tree of Life spoken of in the Garden of Eden. That tree grew out of the earth, just as Jesus (the source of life—from His Father) came in the flesh (the "earth") to bring life (immortality—deathlessness, eternal life) to all humanity. Interestingly, the first time xulon is used in Scripture is where Jesus said,
"For if they do these things in a green [living] tree [Gk: xulon—wood] what shall be done in the dry [dead wood]?" (Luke 23:31).
Jesus Christ is the "green living tree." Jesus met His death by being crucified. The "cross" of Christendom was really a post, pole, or upright stake that is fastened or planted in the ground manually—it did not grow from that spot. It is not a living xulon or wood or tree. Jesus died on a DEAD wood or dead tree.
But Jesus is now raised from the dead and is the Live Tree, the Tree of LIFE. We get a "taste" of this life when God gives us of His Holy Spirit. But we receive only the "ernest" or down payment in this life:
Peace...Mark
Deborah-Leigh:
Here also are some important points to ponder and study that may be re-visited in the insights that expound God's Word found in the respective References provided.
Lev 17:11 For the life [‘soul’ - nephesh, not ‘life’] of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the BLOOD that makes an atonement for the soul.
And so it is abundantly clear from the Scriptures, that it was not the heart or mind of Jesus that was the actual offering for sin, but His Own body which contained His blood. And this very blood which contains Christ’s soul, that was poured out onto the ground, which atones for OUR sin……..
Did we sin? Yes. Is there a penalty? Yes. Christ said, I’ll take your sin and I’ll pay your penalty. Did now, Christ sin? No. Is He guilty of sin? No. He just said I’ll pay the penalty for them. He died FOR us, the Bible says. He didn’t die in our place instead. He didn’t die so we don’t have to die. He died FOR us.REF : WAS CHRIST MADE SIN
(John 10:18). He died to prove to us that He loves us. He didn’t have to, He just did it. So we would know that He loves us. We can’t say, but our Creator had it made in the shade, no. He came down and was under the same temptations, under the same rules and regulations and then He went to the cross and died, voluntarily. He says in effect, if that doesn’t show that I love you, I don’t know what else I can do.
So that’s what He did and that’s why He died, because He loved us and He wanted to prove it. So He died for our sins. God accepted that for a sacrifice, but it was a voluntary sacrifice.
God became a man and died, because He loves His creation and He wanted us to know He loves us.
REF : WHAT IS THE FATHER’S WILL
--- Quote ---I don't recall where the statement was made by Ray, but Jesus came and died to prove God loved the world. That's the meaning of Jn 3:16.
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Hi Dave, maybe this is the statement you recalled by Ray.
The Christian world would have you believe, He loves the world sooo much. But the Concordance version has it right, John 3:16 “For thus God loves the world…”
Not how much He loved the world, although it was a lot, but that is not what the word said. It does not say, for God loved the world so much, no. It says this is how He loved the world, that’s what it means. He didn’t so love the world, He thus loved the world, in this way and this manner. Now in what manner did He agape the world, “He gave His only begotten Son,” ok. But if you say, God so loved the world, then you are insinuating He has phileo love for the world, right. That He has this affectionate, endearment of friendship with the world, because He so loved the world. NO.REF : WHAT IS LOVE
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