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EKnight:
My husband's sister is talking about contacting my husband through a medium which she also did when their father died. I told her this is a waste of time and money as the dead are dead and know nothing. However, I came across this passage in 1 Samuel and would have a hard time defending my position because of it:
1 Samuel 28: 3 Now Samuel was dead, and all Israel had mourned for him and buried him in his own town of Ramah. Saul had expelled the mediums and spiritists from the land.
4 The Philistines assembled and came and set up camp at Shunem, while Saul gathered all the Israelites and set up camp at Gilboa. 5 When Saul saw the Philistine army, he was afraid; terror filled his heart. 6 He inquired of the LORD, but the LORD did not answer him by dreams or Urim or prophets. 7 Saul then said to his attendants, "Find me a woman who is a medium, so I may go and inquire of her."
"There is one in Endor," they said.
8 So Saul disguised himself, putting on other clothes, and at night he and two men went to the woman. "Consult a spirit for me," he said, "and bring up for me the one I name."
9 But the woman said to him, "Surely you know what Saul has done. He has cut off the mediums and spiritists from the land. Why have you set a trap for my life to bring about my death?"
10 Saul swore to her by the LORD, "As surely as the LORD lives, you will not be punished for this."
11 Then the woman asked, "Whom shall I bring up for you?"
"Bring up Samuel," he said.
12 When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out at the top of her voice and said to Saul, "Why have you deceived me? You are Saul!"
13 The king said to her, "Don't be afraid. What do you see?"
The woman said, "I see a spirit [a] coming up out of the ground."
14 "What does he look like?" he asked.
"An old man wearing a robe is coming up," she said.
Then Saul knew it was Samuel, and he bowed down and prostrated himself with his face to the ground.
15 Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?"
"I am in great distress," Saul said. "The Philistines are fighting against me, and God has turned away from me. He no longer answers me, either by prophets or by dreams. So I have called on you to tell me what to do."
16 Samuel said, "Why do you consult me, now that the LORD has turned away from you and become your enemy? 17 The LORD has done what he predicted through me. The LORD has torn the kingdom out of your hands and given it to one of your neighbors—to David. 18 Because you did not obey the LORD or carry out his fierce wrath against the Amalekites, the LORD has done this to you today. 19 The LORD will hand over both Israel and you to the Philistines, and tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. The LORD will also hand over the army of Israel to the Philistines."
20 Immediately Saul fell full length on the ground, filled with fear because of Samuel's words. His strength was gone, for he had eaten nothing all that day and night.
Any insight??
Eileen
Marky Mark:
Hi Eileen.
Here is an email reply from Ray.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,124.0.html
Hi Ray,
Could you tell me if you explain the "calling up" or "bringing up" of Samuel by the woman at Endor for Saul (1 Sam 28:11 - 19) anywhere in your web site's info. This is due to the fact that I believe the Word that when we die we are dead, our souls are in Hades and Hades is a place of no perception etc as mentioned countless times by you as well.
Your knowledge about this will be appreciated,
God be with you,
Anton
Dear Anton:
Saul does not obey or trust God.
So he goes to a pagan inspired witch that are condemned in Israel.
The witch has a familiar spirit--a demon.
Saul asks the witch to call up Samuel's spirit--a pagan teaching.
God actually caused this opportunity to tell Saul his fate by the channel that Saul himself choose.
God revealed the fate of Saul through this witch.
Samuel was never there. Saul assumed that the "old man" had to be Samuel. It was not.
God be with you,
Ray
Peace...Mark
Joel:
No good came to Saul by contacting a medium, you will have the same results.
NO GOOD, I mean. :(
Joel
EKnight:
Interesting. That's what I told my sister-in-law. She said a really "smart" friend of hers who is not easily deceived went to a medium. I told her these people are under the control of satan. She was like "there is nothing satanic about it". I told her they are wolves in sheep's clothing and she should steer clear of it and that my husband did not believe in this. She tried to tell me she had Mark convinced after telling him what her medium said to her after their father died, something about my husband's name and she said Mark was laughing until she told him this. But Mark did not believe this garbage so I let the conversation end there. I just didn't understand this in Samuel.
Eileen
mharrell08:
2 Sam 22:26-27 With the merciful thou [God] wilt shew thyself merciful, and with the upright man thou wilt shew thyself upright. With the pure thou wilt shew thyself pure; and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself unsavoury.
Ps 18:25-26 With the merciful thou [God] wilt shew thyself merciful; with an upright man thou wilt shew thyself upright; With the pure thou wilt shew thyself pure; and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself froward.
On a side note, I'm pretty sure David had Saul's plight in mind when he wrote these passages above. It is always interesting to see the different pearls of wisdom being displayed in the Old & New Testaments.
Marques
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