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heb 4:12???
Dave in Tenn:
I also like the 'color' analogy. Blue (body) + Yellow (spirit) = Green (Soul). There's no green without both yellow and blue. That 1Thess. 5:23 mentions all three is no more a 'proof' of the alleged 'triune nature' of man than the fact that Blue, Yellow and Green exist as descriptive words about particular colors.
Given that both of your recent posts were about (roughly) the same subject, and that links to study had already been provided, I personally figured you either had not given them enough thought/meditation or were (as it turns out) involved in a debate with somebody. This is just ME talking, but I've grown a little weary of debating with people who aren't even here.
If he or she WERE here, I'd tell him I used to believe in a "triune man". I thought I was onto something. Now, nobody can even convince me it's important, much less true. Humanity is much less complex and ""interesting"" than Theology can teach, no matter how drunk they might make us first. :D
Just a side note: I'm only speaking for myself here, but even though I am a moderator, I don't think that means I know more than anybody else. It also doesn't make me (or make me FEEL) like a member of the 'clergy'. This is a web-forum. I just help moderate it.
Do good.
Kat:
Hi Wisdom,
Whenever someone throws a Scripture at you and says it means this, that or the other, remember that it is the "sum" of God's word that is truth.
Psa 119:160 The sum of thy word is truth...
The whole Bible is in perfect harmony, for those that have eyes to see it will fit together and every Scripture supports the others. You always need a second witness in the Scriptures to prove any truth and here is an excerpt on this.
http://bible-truths.com/twelve.htm -------
TRUTH NUMBER 6
[A] "…that in the mouth of TWO OR THREE WITNESSES every word may be established" (Matt. 18:16).
"…In the mouth of TWO OR THREE WITNESSES shall every word be established" (II Cor. 13:1).
[C] "And I will give power unto my TWO WITNESSES…" (Rev. 11:3).
This particular law of Scripture is constantly violated. We are to have at least a second witness to establish a Scriptural truth or doctrine.
Unfortunately, the Church does not follow this truth of God in establishing doctrine.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
Deborah-Leigh:
--- Quote ---"…In the mouth of TWO OR THREE WITNESSES
--- End quote ---
2Co 13:1 This is the THIRD time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established. Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in My Name, there am I ~ "IN MY Name" ~ in the midst of them.
2Co 13:2 I told you before, and foretell you, as if I were PRESENT, THE SECOND TIME: and being ABSENT NOW I write to them which heretofore have sinned, and to all other, that, if I come again, I will not spare:
2Co 13:3 Since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking in me, which to you-ward is not weak, but is mighty in you.
2Co 13:4 For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.
2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that JESUS CHRIST IS IN YOU…
Jesus Christ is in you...We know what being in His Name means...as written in the Book of Life...His Life :)
Arc
markn902:
I guess I am ignorant but I just don't see what is complicated about this verse? I am reading it out of youngs (online) and so what am I missing here? to me it sounds like Gods reckoning can pierce every single bit of what we are (duh). He can read our minds and our hearts basically there is nothing we can hide from Him. I am certainly not trying to belittle the OP for his question as I have certainly posted scripture here that seemed to hit me as if there was something there I was missing. and I will certainly post in the future scriptures that hit me like that as well. I love this forum and the love I've been shown here from members has been incredible. I just wonder what I am missing here is this a "trigger" scripture that people (not talking about OP) use to start some sort of debate?
Dave in Tenn:
Hey Mark.
We all have (or have had) pet doctrines and Idols of the heart. Lord knows I've had them and surely still do. It's painful and humiliating at times to have them crushed, and can even be disorienting. But that's a big part of the house we've built on the sand falling down. When we see the blessing of having that house fall, we can rejoice at the prospect that "...GREAT is the fall of it". Mat 7:27 We'd all still be believing in hell if the fall weren't great.
So, yeah, I think we can come across scripture that seems to prop up what we've been taught or whatever and latch onto the part that 'proves' what we believe, despite the rest of scripture (which does not contradict) and the spiritual meaning of the scripture we're reading.
I suppose a man could read 1Corinthians 13:3 and see 'proof' that we're supposed to cremate the dead. But is that what Spirit of God through Paul is teaching? Are there other witnesses? Are there Spiritual matches? No. Because the verse is talking about LOVE, not burning bodies.
OK...now let the debate begin about whether we are supposed to bury or cremate. ;D
I'm very glad we have a God and Lord who's Word CAN open us up like a two-edged sword. Let the debate begin about whether the sword is curved or straight. ;)
We're going to be OK.
Are we done here?
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