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God, the Father
gohaley:
@Beloved.
I mean see.
aqrinc:
Hi Greg,
Here is an excerpt that will help, you may need to read the entire article, just click on the link below to be taken there.
Excerpt From:
WHO AND WHAT IS JESUS? & WHO IS HIS FATHER? . Nashville Conference 2007
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4472.0.html
WHO IS THE FATHER?
When we hear of Elohim, El, or Jehovah Elohim, it is as much from the Father as it is Christ, because they are one.
Jesus Christ is the spokesman for His Father. No matter what Christ says, He is the mouth piece for the Father. He’s not Charley McCarthy, He’s not a puppet, but He is the mouth piece for the Father, they are in agreement. I don’t know if the proper phonetics and all that are given to Him by the Father and if He really has no latitude of His own.
But in Spirit... the whole thing has to do with spirit and attitude, they are ONE!
So it says in Acts 5:30 “The God of our fathers raised up Jesus.” But when we read in the OT “the God of our fathers,” it was Jesus. But what I want to show by that is the Scripture themselves gives us the latitude to recognize that no matter who the person is, whether it be the Father or the Son, it’s always God.
It is always God. Even Christ in His humiliation, in His physical form, where He was severely limited as a human being. It may say it’s Jesus Christ speaking, but it doesn’t matter if it says it’s Jesus Christ speaking or the OT it’s Jehovah speaking. We know if someone is speaking it’s NOT the Father. Because He does not speak, except through the Son.
So when Christ said, “I have come to reveal the Father” or in John 1:18 where John says Christ came to reveal or unfold the Father, it doesn’t necessarily mean that now Christ is going to tell us all about the Father. He’s going to tell us how the Father communicates now and in the past. All we have to recognize is the Father communicates through the Son.
So when Jesus Christ said, “before Abraham was, I Am” they should have begun to realize... wait a minute are You saying that was You? You talked to Moses?
Now we know that some of the apostles, got it for sure. Paul understood that spiritual Rock was Christ, that is who it was.
Now at the last supper Philip did not know, he just didn’t know. So He said “have I been with you so long, and you ask who the Father is, if you have seen Me you have seen the Father.” Then He went on in different places to say a number of things.
“I and the Father are One.” (John 10:30)
“I am in Him and He is in Me, We are One.” (John 17:21)
“The Words I speak, I speak of the Father.” (John 12:50)
george :).
Kat:
Hi Greg,
Isa 66:1 Thus says Yahweh, "The heavens are My throne, and the earth is My footstool. Where is this house which you are building for Me? And where is this place of My rest?
Jer 23:24 Can a man hide himself in secret places so that I cannot see him? declares the LORD. Do I not fill heaven and earth? declares the LORD.
Col 1:17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
Act 17:28 for in Him we live and move and have our being,
Well I do have an opinion about this and that is how can this type of being have a particular location that you could actually look at Him? I think we as humans are always trying to relate things to something physical, we want to understand things by using our 5 senses. But really God the Father is so far beyond anything so limiting as is in the physical realm that our comprehension, at this time, simple can not fantom what He is. Of course He made us this way, so what He did to help us out and give us some idea of Himself, was sent Jesus Christ which was His perfect repersentation in physical form.
Heb 1:3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature...
I do not believe that the Father can be limited into the figure of some kind of being. He gave us Jesus Christ who is everything that we need to know about who or what the Father is.
John 14:7 "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him."
v. 8 Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us."
v. 9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, "Show us the Father'?
v. 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.
v. 11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
gohaley:
Thanx guys. The answers given were great. I thank God for leading me to this forum.
God has blessed you guys with wisdom. I'm amazed when I read the answers given in various other topics on the forum also. It always challenges my thinking. I mean always.
Amazing
Greg
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi gohaley
These Scriptures also show that we do not see God physically but by His Spirit we are blessed to come to understand and know the Ways of God and His Purposes and Plans that His Spirit shows to us. We can not know God's ways and thoughts with our thoughts.....
Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts.
God shows us His Virtues, Wisdom, Sovereignty and Love through His Spirit working in us
1Co 2:10 But God has revealed them to us by His Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, yea, the deep things of God.
God is not seen with the physical sences so
1Jn 4:12 No one has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwells in us, and His love is perfected in us.
1Jn 4:13 By this we know that we dwell in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit.
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