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Morten:
I remember first time i listen to "23 minutes in hell" When i went on dts 4 years ago i think. And i cant believe my self how stupid it is to believe this. I think i have listen to it at least 6 times (got more exited every time). I got so upset and sad, to think about how many people was going to hell. So i was so close to take up the sword and tell the world. Also take a CD copy and give it to people to show whats going on. Off, thank god he brought me\us here:)
Good job Ray. I love your work:)
Funny post arion ;D
GinaMilan:
Bill Wiese really is not a very bright person, but how many could have undertaken the task that Ray undertook in ripping the nonsense to shreds? Whoa, the contradictions are so STUPID.
Ray's right, it's a miracle that anyone could read this book and claim to be Christians and believe it hook, line and sinker, which gives credence to the scripture that not many wise, not many noble ... but God is choosing the foolish, the weak ... I feel a righteous anger toward the filth in an opportunistic real estate agent like Bill Wiese, etc., who say that they feel more love and mercy as a nonChristian, than they do as a saved Christian. But one would have to give up normal affections in order to be able to worship a "god" who creates grotesque monsters who never die, but live for eternity for the sole purpose of ripping the flesh off of human beings whose only sin was that they stole a pencil from their employer. It's gross. It's disgusting, and very few question it. I was terrified of questioning it. I never questioned my [im]pastors.
"God took it away that I was a Christian when I was in hell."
What, God took it away? Without Wiese's permission? So much for free moral agency.
The part about him hitting the "ground" 3,700 miles below the surface of the earth was so stupid. But I wouldn't have had the brains to notice that. You know, thank God for Ray for having the emotional and mental capacity to critique this. The sad thing is, even after we've been shown the truth, many times we don't know how to feel: "Well, I used to be deceived, and I don't want to hate because that's a sin, but how do I feel?" And we start flip flopping in our emotions because we're still afraid of upsetting God.
There is such a thing as righteous anger. And Bill is offending the "little ones," and I'm thinking of a millstone and the deepest part of the sea right about now - figuratively speaking, of course.
octoberose:
Ray, you're a treasure. If I tired to write a paper such as this for the rest of my life I couldn't do it. God just hasn't gifted me that way. But when I read your words, and have my Bible open next to it, I know that He has gifted you. Thank you so much.
jassy:
--- Quote from: octoberose on June 14, 2010, 07:34:40 PM ---Ray, you're a treasure. If I tired to write a paper such as this for the rest of my life I couldn't do it. God just hasn't gifted me that way. But when I read your words, and have my Bible open next to it, I know that He has gifted you. Thank you so much.
--- End quote ---
Ditto to that.
I read the paper . And the next day went to visit my neighbours. An older couple, precious and very conservative. The husband stayed home on Sunday cause he cant hear at church anymore so he listened to the radio service. It was a full hell fire and brimstone fest.
He asked me what I believe, something he never does in this area. God never gave me a gift for words or explanation. I don't need it after Rays papers,
What you give ,Ray, is certainty. That belief shows through when I speak cause its not me, its all scriptural.
Of everything I have read penned by contemporary man, Bible truths has given me the most peace, the most illumination, the most joy. Ray allowed me to see the bible as it was meant to be seen, without the brainwashing.
FrogGigger:
Far be it for me to cast dispersions at the very works of Yahweh's hands as He made us all with varying degrees of physical attractiveness according to His purpose, but that was one UGLY "preacher" that L.Ray placed at the top of his paper! Which "evangelistic network" did L.Ray find him, I wonder?
Looks like the same preacher who sent me to hell in his fiery sermon when I was "invited" as a guest to a church as a teenager! During "alter call" he paced the aisle staring straight at me - I guess because I did not come forward!
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