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Ray's Paper Challenged
daywalker:
--- Quote from: Dave UK on June 18, 2010, 03:25:31 AM ---Hi
I believe Bill has a second book out where he written a chapter challenging Universalism,perhaps he has Ray in his sights LOL
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Does he claim that he had another "out of body" experience in which a Universalist "ripped his flesh right off"... ???
Just wondering... 8)
Dawidos:
I know it's against the forum rules to give links to others teaching, but I found the paper which challenged Ray's article directly - ***No Teaching Links*** It's a critique of his understanding of the word - aion/aionios. Maybe somebody can send it to Mr. Smith.
While I was reading the catholic definition of many words such as salvation, grace, hell, free will etc. I found a paragraph in which it was written God wills all manking to be saved, but He is powerless to man's free will. I'm asking - if God is powerless, how can I be the strong one? Contradiction after contradiction.
This whole debate is important, but I'm always repeat to myself that God wills all manking to be saved, and what He wills it will be done. There is no other way. Just faith :)
GinaMilan:
--- Quote ---I found a paragraph in which it was written God wills all manking to be saved, but He is powerless to man's free will. I'm asking - if God is powerless, how can I be the strong one?
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- David
That's a great point, David.
I made this point to the young man who was preaching to atheists about how wonderful and powerful he believes God is, and at the same time believes in eternal damnation/punishment (or whatever!). I said, That's like going around telling the sick and dying that your father is the best heart surgeon that ever lived and there is no heart he can't fix. Only for them to get the shock of their lives when they discover what you really mean is, only 3 people out of billions will ever make it off of his operating table alive.
Dawidos:
Indeed. We hear from everywhere you need to choose Christ to be saved, but in the Scriptures it is plainly said you are chosen by him. But God do not choose you to save you from eternal damnation. Yes, He saves you from the second death, but the second death is not Hell. I suppose many will say it's not just. Why only few, why not all? We need to find an answer on this question - what is the point of saving those chosen for the first ressurection? To save everyone alse! Those chosen will just take part in the salvation of the whole world. They will be ruling with Christ, but not ruling because they have lust for power, but because there is much greater purpose for this reign. Nevertheless, God is very fair in finding "candidates". He doesn't favor anybody. He can choose a poor, a reach, an atheist, a criminal etc. :)
Fester:
--- Quote from: Dawidos on June 20, 2010, 06:37:39 AM ---.... what is the point of saving those chosen for the first ressurection? To save everyone alse! Those chosen will just take part in the salvation of the whole world. ....
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Thanks for not burdening us with references to Ray's teachings and those cumbersome scriptural references!
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