> Introductions, Announcements, and More of Ray's Teachings
Coming out of the Pentecostal Doctrine
thirtyfour:
Hi, from Josh in Indiana...I am married to a pentecostal preachers daughter and I had been going to her family church for the last 7 yrs...I had my revelation while searching the internet for some tithing scriptures for my mom, I believe it was may 15th...I came across Rays site and uh oh theres trouble in the waters...You see not only is my wife and her mom and dad Pentecostal but all of her uncles, nephews, cousins, both sides all the way back a few generations. So needless to say I am in an "interesting" position...I have a beautiful wife and awesome children and just stopped going to church and tithing and you can imagine some of the reactions that I got to "sheol/hades gehenna/tartus are not hell" knowledge!!I had prayed to God "Lord is this really it...pentecostalism...this is what You want for me...I told Him to tell me the truth and that I could handle it...Wow was it a knock out blow...I still shake my head in amazement...The thing is I'm not sure what to to do now...I am very happy yet seemingly alone with my "crazy thoughts" and my"new found doctrine so I can do whatever I want"...I do read the bible and look up scriptures and I actually Love it now...And when I think about the Goodness of the Lord it makes me happy where as before I told Him I loved Him but it was from a distance...Praise God for the Truth.. I got a ton more but I just wanted to converse with other people who believe that God is the SAVIOR of all men....Also does anyone know how Ray is doing? What does the L stand for in his name...thanks
Josh
mharrell08:
Welcome to the forum Josh :)
Here's a post from our FAQ board, regarding 'What to do now?': http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,11572.0.html
Also, here's the latest message from Ray concerning his well being: http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,9330.msg102535.html#msg102535
Sorry, but I don't know what the 'L' stands for in L. Ray Smith, but perhaps another moderator can answer that. Glad you've looked to the forum for others to converse with, that's the reason why I joined the forum myself.
Take care,
Marques
arion:
Hello Josh;
...and welcome to the forum. The 'L' in Ray's middle name stands for Larry I believe and I can fully identify with your comments. I came out of the Assembly's of God myself so I am familiar with most of the doctrines and practices, I think I could almost write a book. LOL For me it was a long period of time to come to the knowledge of the truth. Like you, I stumbled across the tithing paper and I was amazed. Ray bookended it to the point that you simply couldn't mount an effective argument over what he shared. My Pastor always taught that although tithing was old testament, that the 'tithe' existed before the law and therefore was binding in both testaments. I tithed for years and wouldn't of dared not to.
Then I began to read the rest of the website. When I started to read the LOF and Ray dissed 'hell' I regarded him as a heretic and a nutcase and figured that his tithing paper was the case of even a blind squirrel finding an occasional nut. I left the website and then being bored one day about 9 months later came back and started to read the Lake of Fire series and well, what can I say? The scales began to fall off and for the very first time I began to understand that God isn't going to torture his creation in literal fire. Your family will come around in God's timing and not yours. I know that is difficult. All you can do is to stand firmly for what you now know to be true and let the chips fall where they may, always keeping in mind of course that for many years you believed as they still do and it's only the grace of God in your life that is showing you His truth in His time. As far as I know Ray isn't out of the woods yet by a long shot but is doing somewhat better than in the last few months. To God be the glory!!
Samson:
--- Quote from: thirtyfour on June 16, 2010, 07:47:35 PM ---Hi, from Josh in Indiana...I am married to a pentecostal preachers daughter and I had been going to her family church for the last 7 yrs...I had my revelation while searching the internet for some tithing scriptures for my mom, I believe it was may 15th...I came across Rays site and uh oh theres trouble in the waters...You see not only is my wife and her mom and dad Pentecostal but all of her uncles, nephews, cousins, both sides all the way back a few generations. So needless to say I am in an "interesting" position...I have a beautiful wife and awesome children and just stopped going to church and tithing and you can imagine some of the reactions that I got to "sheol/hades gehenna/tartus are not hell" knowledge!!I had prayed to God "Lord is this really it...pentecostalism...this is what You want for me...I told Him to tell me the truth and that I could handle it...Wow was it a knock out blow...I still shake my head in amazement...The thing is I'm not sure what to to do now...I am very happy yet seemingly alone with my "crazy thoughts" and my"new found doctrine so I can do whatever I want"...I do read the bible and look up scriptures and I actually Love it now...And when I think about the Goodness of the Lord it makes me happy where as before I told Him I loved Him but it was from a distance...Praise God for the Truth.. I got a ton more but I just wanted to converse with other people who believe that God is the SAVIOR of all men....Also does anyone know how Ray is doing? What does the L stand for in his name...thanks
Josh
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Welcome Josh,
Yes, apparently Your prayers were answered in regards to discovering the Truth. The L in Ray Smith's name stands for Leroy. Fortunately for me, My Wife believes in the Salvation of All, no other Family members. Most of them don't care either way, at this time. Certainly, your in an Emotional and Spiritually difficult position. As a suggestion, continue to study and meditate on Ray's Teachings, pay close attention to the Words when reading Scripture and don't force & Ram these Truths down any Family Members throats(figuratively speaking). Consider 1Peter3:15 about answering with mildness those who ask of you. In your circumstances, it's best to set a good example by your conduct through living your Faith, rather than preaching it, this is especially important when it applies to Relatives. Jesus Physical Brothers and Sisters thought He was losing His mind. Glad you have joined the Forum and hope you continue to Fellowship with us.
Kind Regards, Samson.
aqrinc:
--- Quote from: thirtyfour on June 16, 2010, 07:47:35 PM ---Hi, from Josh in Indiana...I am married to a pentecostal preachers daughter and I had been going to her family church for the last 7 yrs...I had my revelation while searching the internet for some tithing scriptures for my mom, I believe it was may 15th...I came across Rays site and uh oh theres trouble in the waters...You see not only is my wife and her mom and dad Pentecostal but all of her uncles, nephews, cousins, both sides all the way back a few generations. So needless to say I am in an "interesting" position...I have a beautiful wife and awesome children and just stopped going to church and tithing and you can imagine some of the reactions that I got to "sheol/hades gehenna/tartus are not hell" knowledge!!I had prayed to God "Lord is this really it...pentecostalism...this is what You want for me...I told Him to tell me the truth and that I could handle it...Wow was it a knock out blow...I still shake my head in amazement...The thing is I'm not sure what to to do now...I am very happy yet seemingly alone with my "crazy thoughts" and my"new found doctrine so I can do whatever I want"...I do read the bible and look up scriptures and I actually Love it now...And when I think about the Goodness of the Lord it makes me happy where as before I told Him I loved Him but it was from a distance...Praise God for the Truth.. I got a ton more but I just wanted to converse with other people who believe that God is the SAVIOR of all men....Also does anyone know how Ray is doing? What does the L stand for in his name...thanks
Josh
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Hi Josh,
Welcome to the forum, seems you are now in good company with all these rejects and weak things, who dare to believe in no everlasting hell torture. I found out the hard way several times, never try to take away everlasting hell from a christian; before GOD Has prepared them for the shock. You could get chewed up, trampled, mangled and even called a few names like (heretic and blasphemer or satanist), been there been done that.
In good time each and everyone of them will come to see and hear, so just be prepared when you are asked about why you believe this way now. I have many in my family that think me hopelessly lost, and destined for a very hot place, unless i repent and go back to whichever their various religious beliefs are.
A few different denominations by the way?????????.
Best to Learn, Love and Rest, While Jesus Christ does the Work Of GOD in you.
george :).
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