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How did you tell your loved ones about your no longer going to church?
Duane:
Ijust LOVE
Duane:
I just love to read and re-read the messages on Ray's MAIN web-page, as well as all the "Posts". In fact, I have a hard time wanting to watch tv programs that I used to really enjoy! Then, there is all the hard copy articles that I have that I review a lot.
I have only been MEMBER a few months, but now I am getting to the place that I have the confidence that I know this "new doctrine" equally as well as the "church doctrine" that I was brought up in. I am getting more bold in expressing my convictions because I am reading the articles enuff that I know where to go to find the points I am looking for, which include the verses.
One of the flaws of Ray's, and sometimes, Samson's articles is that they are really Doctoral Thesises covering such a WIDE variety of subjects that they really need a TABLE OF CONTENTS. Sooo, being that these 50-100& page articles are NUMBERED when they are hard copied, I go through them paragraph by paragraph and INDEX them for easy reference. Someday, there should be a COMPLETE INDEX that
cross-references a topic from "thesis to thesis". WHEW! THAT WOULD BE A LOT OF WORK! However, I love hard copy (minus the HIGH cost
of ink) because I can underline things, write notes in the columns and also study to my heart's content without hogging the computer when
my PATIENT wife, would like to use it!
I am sure Samson and Kat must havetheir own systems of finding/retrieving things as they "cut and paste" from larger articles. Maybe they could share their system with us novices so we don't have to "re-invent the wheel"!
Bill:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on July 12, 2010, 08:13:04 PM ---I do not think we have any obligation or responsibility to teach anyone the truths of God, whether they be family, or minor children, or the general public.
Jesus is the Saviour. That's what His name means. It's His job, responsibility, obligation to save people, which He will do at the appointed times. He will save everybody. We don't have to worry about it.
Que sera, sera! If Jesus wants to use someone to teach the truths of God, like Ray, then He will see to it that that person does it.
Sometimes we take too much on ourselves. Didn't Ray say somewhere that light and salt do not teach or preach?
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Perhaps responsibility was a poor choice of words for me choose. What is the loving thing to do for our children when it comes to teaching the truth when one spouse believes something else?
Bill
Bill:
--- Quote from: Duane on July 12, 2010, 10:09:23 PM ---I just love to read and re-read the messages on Ray's MAIN web-page, as well as all the "Posts". In fact, I have a hard time wanting to watch tv programs that I used to really enjoy! Then, there is all the hard copy articles that I have that I review a lot.
I have only been MEMBER a few months, but now I am getting to the place that I have the confidence that I know this "new doctrine" equally as well as the "church doctrine" that I was brought up in. I am getting more bold in expressing my convictions because I am reading the articles enuff that I know where to go to find the points I am looking for, which include the verses.
One of the flaws of Ray's, and sometimes, Samson's articles is that they are really Doctoral Thesises covering such a WIDE variety of subjects that they really need a TABLE OF CONTENTS. Sooo, being that these 50-100& page articles are NUMBERED when they are hard copied, I go through them paragraph by paragraph and INDEX them for easy reference. Someday, there should be a COMPLETE INDEX that
cross-references a topic from "thesis to thesis". WHEW! THAT WOULD BE A LOT OF WORK! However, I love hard copy (minus the HIGH cost
of ink) because I can underline things, write notes in the columns and also study to my heart's content without hogging the computer when
my PATIENT wife, would like to use it!
I am sure Samson and Kat must havetheir own systems of finding/retrieving things as they "cut and paste" from larger articles. Maybe they could share their system with us novices so we don't have to "re-invent the wheel"!
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Duane,
Here is a good place to start.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/board,14.0.html
Dave in Tenn:
--- Quote from: Bill on July 12, 2010, 10:24:31 PM ---Perhaps responsibility was a poor choice of words for me choose. What is the loving thing to do for our children when it comes to teaching the truth when one spouse believes something else?
Bill
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Bill, all I can offer is some counsel. Feel free to ignore, as I'm not a father.
I'd ask some questions first. How old are the kids? Have they developed their own concience and belief system to some extent? How adept, accustomed, and/or inclined are you to be the head of your family AS CHRIST is the head of His church? How comfortable are you with the truth that you can't convince anybody--not even a child of a certain age--against his or her will? As a matter of fact, we can't convince anybody at all, ultimately, because it is God who draws, calls and chooses. While we can't believe without a 'preacher' (no matter what form that preaching takes), it's not the 'preacher' who performs the miracle ending blindness.
What truths are you wanting to instill? Can you communicate them in a way that matches their ability to comprehend?
I guess what I am driving at is that this is an opportunity given you by the grace of God to learn and grow, and to experience evil. Maybe the evil of uncertainty. Maybe the evil of inadequacy. Maybe to experience the evil of seeing your kids themsleves grappling with the evil in the synagogue. Certainly to experience the evil of being a flawed human who falls short of the glory of God.
It may be (and it's certainly my leaning) that there is no one right thing to do with your children. I'd only further add that when it comes to your own family, you're not likely to be able to sit quietly on every occasion. Ultimately, 'success' is garunteed.
I pray for all the parents grappling with this. God gave you your kids. He also gave your kids their parents. Surely He knows what He's doing.
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