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Water bearer?
mercie:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on July 03, 2006, 10:33:55 AM ---Ray's article on Lazarus & the Rich man was a real eye opener for me, especially when it was explained who the "Rich man" represents;
(From Lazarus & the Rich man)
THE RICH MAN IDENTIFIED
There is only one man who Scripturally fits all the descriptions of the "rich man" in this parable. Only one person who "personifies" all of the symbols and identifying clues given of this rich man. And that man is:
"JUDAH !"
But not just Judah as an historical individual, but collectively. All Israel under the headship of Judah, the Jews. And the Jews were "rich."
It is an incredible paper;
http://bible-truths.com/lazarus.html
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It is a Good Joe.
Those who sit in Moses Seat.
mercie:
--- Quote from: rocky on July 03, 2006, 10:40:29 AM ---(Mar 14:13) And He sent two of His disciples, and said to them, Go into the city. And you will meet a man carrying a pitcher of water. Follow him.
Why two disciples, why not three, four, or only one??
Why the words "follow him". Have we seen those words before? "follow me and i'll make you fishers of men"
Why into the city??? Where have we seen city used before??? Rev. 21 onward, "Holy City", Jerusalem from above????
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments (follow him), that they may have right to the tree of life (living water??), and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Makes me think of God's chosen (two out of 12 desciples, two witnesses, to follow Him), following Him with water????
The water was in jars. jars made of clay??? Christ at that time still in the flesh?? Water soon to be spilled out in the resurrection???
Just some thots.
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Rocky
A few Scriptures to consider.
John 4:10 If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
The Lord knoweth them that are his.
Mark 14:13 Go ye into the city, and there shall meet you a man bearing a pitcher of water: follow him.
Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
Ephes 3:2If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
2Cr 9:15 Thanks be unto God for his unspeakable gift.
Prov 17:8 A gift is as a precious stone in the eyes of him that hath it: whithersoever it turneth, it prospereth.
2Cr 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
Ephes 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
Prov 25:25 As cold waters to a thirsty soul, so is good news from a far country.
YellowStone:
Hi Yellowstone, Hi Chris :)
Is there living waters in the pitcher? obviously not... does this verse have a spiritual lesson concerning the living water, How so?
You are of course correct. I thought of this (posting something earlier to this effect) and realized that my reference of "living waters" did or does not pertain to Mark 14:13. I do not see this as a parable teaching. Am I wrong?
There are many verses that speak of the living waters that Christ gives, none of these verses hide the the living water in a pitcher, why is this?
Possibly because they apply and this case they do not :)
If all that is ever written in the scriptures concerning water is meaning living waters, what a confusing contradictory book it would be. as we would then have to apply living waters to over 600 scriptures?
This is why Christ told the women ,But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst;
Did Christ himself need living water?...."After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst." [ john 19:28] what spiritual lesson is to be observed in Christs words, concerning "I thirst" is it "living waters" the he needed, is it not Christ himself that Gives us living waters?
Your question is of course referring to Christ needing "spiritual" waters, which of course he did not. He was however, hanging on a cross and having lost a lot of blood. He was thirsty for "physical" life giving water. No question about it. :)
Is it so impossible for us to beleive the Son of God could know exactly when and were this man carrying a pot of water would be, at the exact time his disciples came into the city? Does Christ need a prior arrangement?
Chris, I was following you fine until this part. Of course it is not impossible, who would be foolish enough to ever think such a thing. BUT, Jesus Christ on this earth was a man. Are you suggesting that he could not have made arrangements as a man?
if so, i dont see it written, and therfore cannot speculate.
Very good point, does it matter? My point was Jesus may have made prior arrangements with the owner in "advance" in much the same way as he has spiritually to our God and Father, for his brothers and sisters.
Christ plainly told his followers that "I Am The Way" [Jhn 14:6] He didnt hide this message in a man carrying a pitcher of water, why would he?
Chris, I feel a lot of antagonism. :(
Please believe me it was not my intent. I did not say that Christ hid his message in a pitcher of water. All I said was that there was something of a parallel between the physical and spiritual events.
I'm confused as to why so many wish to make a pitcher of water, a Spiritual lesson of the "living waters".
When these spiritual waters are stated in other scriptures NOT as drinking water at all!
Chris, these are your words and not mine :)
But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst... this is the spiritual lesson concerning "living waters".
Amen :)
Peace
In closing, I wish to state that my original post was not an attack on you or anyone else in this forum.
Once again, I apologize for anything I might have said, for clearly you seen something in my post that was not intended.
May God grant us all an abundance of love, peace and understanding.
Friends,
Yellowstone
mannonthecross:
--- Quote from: mercie on July 03, 2006, 09:38:09 AM ---Chris
Jhn 7:37 In the last day, that great [day] of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
Jhn 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
we KNOW Christ is The living Water.
Ihave no problem whatso ever in seeing Christ as a Spiriitual TYPE of Pitcher who lets down His living water for those who wish to drink.
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Amen!
Literally, if someone is thirsty, he is given a drink of water poured from a pitcher (or faucet, or fountain, etc). Spiritually, Christ is the drink offering being poured out of Himself, by Himself (Pitcher & Man carrying Pitcher of Water).
We know that Water is equated to the life-giving power of redemption & when we drink from Christ, we become His wells of salvation. Is 12:3 "With joy you will draw water from the wells of salvation."
Follow him...the him is actually Him = Christ. Follow Him, including acts of love & kindness, just as someone [Beloved?] from another thread gave Owen a bicycle seat.
As He pours out, we fill up & we pour out to others (not redemption, but looking like Jesus, acting like Jesus & doing the things that Jesus did & greater things, which is actually the grace of God)!
Did I get off the track somehow here?
What is the Truth? (I can handle it :D)
Marianne
Oops! It was JesusOnly, not Beloved who made a new friend of Owen. :-[
Daniel:
Amen Mannonthecross!!!
Often REFRESHING the SAINTS !!!!
Darn... the phone (laughing)
Great stuff!
Peace
Daniel
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