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prarrydog:
In Ray's LOF series #7 he states

"…the seven stars [messengers] which you saw IN MY RIGHT HAND, and the seven golden candlesticks [also in His same right hand]…" (Rev. 1:20).

and then again:

"Jesus says that the seven messengers and the seven churches are all, "…in My right hand…" (Rev. 1:20). ONE hand—they are all ONE."

Here are the verses that Ray is speaking about

Rev 1:20  The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

and

Rev 2:1  Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;

Where does it say that the seven candlesticks are in His right hand?  It says that He walks in their midst.  This word that is translated right hand is used many times throughout scripture.  In most cases it means "right side" or a place of honour.  Can the churches be in the same place of honour as the messengers (angels)?  Any input?  This has been puzzling me for awhile now. 

Rev 1:13  And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

Chris R:
Hi prarrydog,

Yes they seem to be both in the right hand, however this has little to do with the lesson to be understood in revelations.

your question:
Can the churches be in the same place of honour as the messengers (angels)?  Any input?  This has been puzzling me for awhile now. 

Were is this seat of honor? just who are these messengers?

REV 2:1 Unto the ANGEL of the church of Ephesus write!...I have [somewhat] against thee, because thou [THE ANGEL OF THE CHURCH OF EPHESUS] hast left thy first love.

Obvioulsy this angel [messenger] is in no place of "honor".

Chris R

prarrydog:
Chris R

Okay so if this "right hand" is not a place of honour but simply a "right hand", as you suggest, then how does one walk in the midst of something he holds in his hand.

Also you say that "they seem to be both in the right hand".  The scriptures at the beginning of this thread do not even hint that they are both in the right hand.  Do you have any other scripture that shows this? 

One more thing - it is not obvious that this angel is in no place of honour.  Let's look at the surrounding verses:

 Rev 2:1  Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 2:2  I know thy works, and thy labor, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
Rev 2:3  And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast labored, and hast not fainted. Rev 2:4  Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

Then He goes on to say
Rev 2:5  Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
Rev 2:6  But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.
Rev 2:7  He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Key words...or else

I am not trying to show you, Ray or anyone up.  I am simply doing a study on this and do appreciate any input.

Thanks
with love

Chris R:
Hi Prarrydog,

There is nothing "literally" in Christs "right hand"....All of these sins charged to the seven messengers of these seven churches are "our sins"... these warnings are for us.

http://bible-truths.com/lake10.html

Hopefully this might help

Chris R

buddyjc:
Chris, I do not think the candlesticks are in Christ's 'right hand.'  The right hand is the hand that 'takes hold of things' and the stars are symbolic of the Elect.  The Elect are being saved whereas the called are not.  The candlesticks cannot possibly be in Christ's 'right hand.'   

Brian

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