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acomplishedartis:

The ones whom, belong not anymore to any church system, whom have compassion and real good hopes toward all humanity, and their main wish and desire is to live a more piety life, i have seen that it is hard to generalize them with an specific identity or naming. And that's okay with me.

    But, Whit what should we be related or which should be our referential?   
The word 'Christian' have gone way to big in significances, I guess we are just people making a hard effort and having much intentions to follow and try to imitate Jesus life.

    How does most of the people surrounding us see at us? Answers could be many..., like with rejection, respect, admiration,  etc.. But a better question should be: How does they (the people surrounding Jesus) used to see him? And from there try to compare our selves.
    And how do we see at our own selves? Humble followers trying hard? (I hope so), hypocrites?, failures? Very mature and spiritual giants?
 
Does telling people (people that surround us and that doesn't know much about us) about our unconventional theological founds and understanding will really help them to understand us? Hardly, because lets remember that same sentences can be able to mean very different things for certain groups of individuals. But maybe the ones that have some respect toward the bible will have more possibilities to understand us a little better.

If we see Culture as every expression of life on a certain group of persons
Then we kind of are having our own culture, our own way to interpret language,
there is great discourses taken from the Scriptures that hold us together
we have very different Values and also very different cultural statements regarding the bible
I know many of us here have had struggles regarding 'carnal family' relations. Personally, the paper of Ray called ''love'' has help me much.


    Since a few years ago I have had the opportunity to live in certain places very far from each other and also to talk and to read two languages. One main thing that I have learn from these, is to try harder to don't generalize (people and places) much (without enough evidence), and if possible try to don't at all.

For example: IF somebody (that we don't know much about) say to be from another country, then the only fact that we know for sure about these saying is that he was born in that certain region of the world and that's it.   
AND THAT'S IT? ...
  Oh no, because most of our busy minds don't work just like that. Because when we hear the name of that certain country we also have a tendency to relate much about what we already know about that certain country (which is usually very limited) with that person. And these is what I mean when making generalizations, judging simplistically, easily and fast.

   Don't get wrong on my example, I know that they are concepts of things and places that must remain quickly in us as individuals as our knowledge is limited, all I am saying is that I think that we all most try to be more careful when choosing, using and interpreting words and phrases and sayings. And the same goes when we try to show information regarding the bible truths that we know about. Because:
We want to say what we mean! We would like to show who we are, and give what we have to give!And these is very Fine, but lets keep in mind that we will always have good chances to be misunderstood if we don't pay enough attention.

It's easy to generalize, isn't it?
The place
The name
The skin color, the race
The social status, the work, the experience, the hobbies and the income

Oh,
  and The place!           
But where we live doesn't have to say strictly, something about our characters
  The number of habitants and the general main ideologies from the country where we live I don't think that it describe us at all

How can somebody embrace a certain culture without diminish another ones?

What does defile us the most is our main believes, our aptitudes and wishes toward others and what do we think and hope the most of the time.

We are trying here to be grateful and content with what God have already give to us
And if we suffer, we should be encourage, because God is going to console us.

Samson:
Good and informative Thread Moises,

                                                   Yes, We tend to Stereotype People, Places, Cultures based on limited knowledge and exposure. We have to keep in mind there are always individual differences before forming an opinion on anything. This is definitely true in our perception on different Scriptural passages and verses.

                          Take for example a basic and simple Scripture to us like 1Timothy. 4:10(the Savior of all Men, especially those that believe). To those familiar with the understanding We possess, it sounds straight forward and simple. Why can't people see this, sounds so simple and elementary to us, yet prior to learning about Universal Salvation, I used a translation(NWT) about 95% of the time that rendered the "All" as "All sorts of Men" and was taught that God desired All Men to be saved, but since He gave us Free Moral Agency, We might choose otherwise rejecting His offer of Salvation. Those were the spectacles or glasses in which I previously interpreted that Scripture, coupled By what I was told By My Religious Leaders. As a matter of fact, I didn't really do too much thinking about it at all, instead letting others do most of the thinking for me. I feel privileged that God saw Fit to share this understanding with me at Bible-Truths.

                                      Thanks for the Thread, Samson.

cjwood:

--- Quote from: Samson on August 24, 2010, 11:45:36 PM ---
 "...prior to learning about Universal Salvation, I used a translation(NWT) about 95% of the time that rendered the "All" as "All sorts of Men" and was taught that God desired All Men to be saved, but since He gave us Free Moral Agency, We might choose otherwise rejecting His offer of Salvation. Those were the spectacles or glasses in which I previously interpreted that Scripture, coupled By what I was told By My Religious Leaders. As a matter of fact, I didn't really do too much thinking about it at all, instead letting others do most of the thinking for me. I feel privileged that God saw Fit to share this understanding with me at Bible-Truths."

                                     

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samson. your statement above is so bang on! i feel so grateful that God the Father saw fit to smack me up the backside of the head and get my attention, while also causing me to feel the heaviness of the ignorance i was believing without ever really questioning ALL of it. kinda like gibbs does to his fellow agents on the t.v. series "ncis".  :D  and, it is always done out of love. by gibbs, and most especially by God our Father.

moises. your writings are as honest and humble as you are yourself. i am always inspired by you. thank you for posting them. traveling mercies mi amigo.  8)

claudia

servias:

--- Quote from: Samson on August 24, 2010, 11:45:36 PM ---

                           As a matter of fact, I didn't really do too much thinking about it at all, instead letting others do most of the thinking for me.

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This is right on.  I must say I did not do any thinking of my own regarding the bible.  Thats what led me away from GOD (mostly due to my misguided thoughts of HELL and torture)...  Thanks to stumbling  on this site I can't stop wanting to read and discover more!  I'm now forced to try and interpret things I would normally skip by.  Its like I am starting fresh and hearing bible stories for the first time again but with an open mind (sorry didn't mean to hijack this thread...got carried away - what you posted just hit me)   

Roy Martin:
Ouch! your post has humbled me in several ways. Thank you for sharing.

Roy

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