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does anyone help me understand Romans - 9:31
darren:
Mat 5:38 "You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.'
v. 39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.
v. 40 If anyone wants to sue you and take away your tunic, let him have your cloak also.
v. 41 And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two.
v. 42 Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away.
I don't get this?? am I actually not to resit an evil person?? I know I missing something here. It must be a spiritual lesson that I don't see.
Darren
Kat:
Hi Darren,
Here are a few places where Ray discusses this.
http://bible-truths.com/fools.htm ------------------------
When Jesus said: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill," they think that it should really read, "…I am not come to destroy, but to OBEY." Jesus clearly did NOT obey the "Law of Moses." "Fulfill" does not mean "OBEY." Christ’s conscience is not guided by carnal commandments of the flesh. Jesus lived by a far, far higher and superior SPIRITUAL law.
Jesus did NOT obey "Thou shalt… swear by His [God’s] Name" (Deut. 6:13), but said, "Swear NOT at all," in direct contradiction and opposition to the Law of Moses. "Swear NOT" is not a slight modification of "Thou SHALT swear," but is rather a complete contradiction of Moses’ law.
Jesus did NOT obey, "Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, SO shall it be done to him again" (Lev. 24:20), but rather contradicted the Law of Moses with "Resist NOT evil: but… turn to him the other [cheek] also" (Matt. 5:39).
Jesus did NOT obey the Law of Moses which stated: "And ye shall chase your enemies, and they shall fall before you by the sword [‘HATE your enemy’ Matt. 5:43]" (Lev. 26:7-8). It was, in fact, a SIN not to hate and kill their enemies, (Num. 32:20-23). But Jesus completely and totally contradicted Moses’ Law by dogmatically stating:
"But I say unto you, LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, BLESS them that curse you, and DO GOOD to them that hate you, and PRAY for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you" (Matt. 5:44).
Contrary to all the ridiculous unscriptural theories of theologians, "LOVE YOUR ENEMIES" is not just a slight modification of the law which said to "HATE and kill your enemies."
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NO one will be saved by keeping the ten commandments and the Law of Moses. The rich young ruler kept the Ten Commandments (Mark 10:20). The Scribes and Pharisees kept the Law of Moses (Acts 15:5). But none of them will be saved by obeying that inferior law only:
"For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall EXCEED the righteousness [keeping the Ten Commandments, and the whole Law of Moses] of the Scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven" (Matt. 5:20).
Under Christ’s New Covenant, we cannot "break one of these least commands" which Jesus instituted high above the carnal elements of the Law of Moses, (Matt. 5:19). Under Christ’s New Covenant, one must be spiritually converted before he will ever be saved or see the Kingdom of God.
http://bible-truths.com/lake16-D3.htm ---------------------
"Ye have heard that it has been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth. But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil... turn to him the other [cheek] also" (Matt. 65:38-39).
Suffice it to say that according to all Jewish Scholars that I read (many), none teaches that this was ever enforced, literally. It meant to reimburse the harmed person in like value. And this apparently is the truth, seeing that we have this Scripture:
"You shall not avenge [take vengeance on], nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as thyself, I am the Lord" (Lev. 19:18). Certainly one was justified in being reimbursed for the value of a lost eye, hand, tooth, etc., but not that one person should avenge another by literally gauging out his brother's eye, if he were responsible for you loosing your eye. There is not one case of this being literally executed in Scriptures anymore than Jesus meant to literally pluck out our physical eyes, if we lusted in our heart. However, there are examples of this being fulfilled in kind. Jesus' command in no way contradicts or does away with the "eye for an eye" principle. In modern times we carry insurance for just such times as we need to reimburse in kind (value) those who are injured (as in an auto accident were someone might loose an arm or leg or eye).
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3849.0.html ---
Mat 5:39 “But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.”
How many do that? Do we really have to do that? Somebody sues us, we sue them back, right? Isn’t that the American way? Sure it is. We have to stop doing those things. We have to start doing what’s right. Always. You can’t do it unless you are regenerated, born again, converted, spiritually in your heart, and have God’s spirit. These things are too tough. Even with God’s spirit it’s tough! I mean, you’re going to think you did a lot of these things yourself it’s so tough. But God is the one who is going to see you through it.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php?topic=1568.0 -----
It doesn't matter what I believe. Jesus said "Resist NOT evil...." and "LOVE your enemies...." We can't do that by KILLING THEM. Trusting God is something that virtually no human on earth is willing to do. God is an enemy to our enemies, but virtually no one is willing to accept that. Almost no one looks to God and trusts God for ALL THEIR NEEDS.
God be with you,
Ray
darren:
So we are NOT to resit evil?? Sorry Kat I still do not understand.
Darren
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Darren
Resisting the DEVIL and not resisting EVIL are two different things that BOTH have to be followed. They do not contradict.
Jas 4:7 Submit therefore to God: resist the Devil, and he will flee from you.
SUBMIT TO GOD It is evil to NOT submit to God. God sends us our circumstances that are good AND EVIL.
Our rulers can be evil, enemies or foes who bring us evil circumstances. If an evil ruler of ours crosses the line of what we know is a commandment of God, then we are to follow God not men. To otherwise resist stopping at a red robot, paying tax, behaving in an illegal fashion or against the system that can make us experience suffering and grief, is not what we are to do. This is not the will of God for us.
To go against the rules of State and Authority of its Powers and conditions is not what we are to do. We are to submit, comply and co-operate with our “rulers”. This is God’s will.
Rom 13:2 Therefore the man who rebels against his ruler is resisting God's will; and those who thus resist will bring punishment upon themselves.
Mat 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Jesus resisted the DEVIL by not resisting his hunger or thirst in the forty days He was lead by The Spirit of God to show us how to resist the Devil.
Jas 4:7 Submit therefore to God: resist the Devil, and he will flee from you.
As Craig sometimes has said, “as clear as mud!” ;D
Arc
Kat:
Hi Darren,
Here is the verse in the Good News Bible.
GNB
Mat 5:38 "You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.'
v. 39 But now I tell you: do not take revenge on someone who wrongs you. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, let him slap your left cheek too.
We are not to be revengeful, which is spirit of hate and strife. We should understand that God is very much aware (is indeed the ultimate cause) of everything and every situation. So we are to learn to have self-control and patiently endure what confronts us.
Rom 12:17 Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men.
v. 18 If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men.
v. 19 Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord.
I think this is expressing that believers are not to be aggressive and should use self-control and not lash out in anger. We need to use good judgment in how to live, striving to be peaceful. God in wisdom will repay to each what needs to be. We can seek the help of the authorities that He has put in place, this can be the means He uses to help us.
1Ti 2:1 Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men,
v. 2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence.
v. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
v. 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Darren I know that there are all kinds of situations that can be thought of where you may ask; would I just stand by and not do anything if...
We are the few, we are striving to fully trust and obey God, He is sovereign and will never let us down. We have to trust Him and get our thinking in the direction that He is always here with us. Remember how the servant of Elisha had his eyes opened to how the Lord was ready and able to protect them.
2Kings 6:15 And when the servant of the man of God arose early and went out, there was an army, surrounding the city with horses and chariots. And his servant said to him, "Alas, my master! What shall we do?"
v. 16 So he answered, "Do not fear, for those who are with us are more than those who are with them."
v. 17 And Elisha prayed, and said, "LORD, I pray, open his eyes that he may see." Then the LORD opened the eyes of the young man, and he saw. And behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha.
Just my way of thinking.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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