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grapehound:

Excellent post Arc and, true to form, swimming in the glorious light of His unequivocal Truth.
Thanks dear Sister.
Hope you find your answers Judy, you're in the very best counsel.

Muchest Luv

Grape xx

Deborah-Leigh:
I can empathize with what you are saying Judy.

 These are not things that need to be grasped intellectually. They are experienced literally in our lives before they can make any sense at all. God is in charge of our experiences and controls our understanding. We cannot comprehend anything spiritual without God’s Spirit and to be in the dark, is an experience of evil assigned to every mortal human being. No one is exempt or above what God is doing.

The Truth of free will being a myth, false teaching and major deception of the carnal mind that is universally spread throughout religion,  was for me a mind boggling Truth that to this day still requires to be fully integrated into my comprehension of life, God, The Son of God and the Plan and Purpose for not only myself but for all humankind. It's a process.  :)

The application of Truth requires the Spirit of God within us working throughout our  life time  to mend, change and reverse the consequences and presence of deceptions that are idolized and do nothing but raise up all manner of false beliefs, assumptions, mis-leading expectations and attachments to error. Unless we have a change of heart, our minds cannot know God much less even come to understand there are changes required in us that can only be achieved through the presence of the Spirit of God working in us.

God creates the desire and the accomplishment of our desires. Our desires even, cannot be fixed, changed, altered or fulfilled through all of our efforts put together. We don’t have will POWER. The only Power is God. For example, we cannot force ourselves to fall away, leave our first love,  remember from where we have fallen or repent by our own strength intelligence of self will. Nothing good is achieved or desired without the Spirit of God.  

No one has a monopoly on the Spirit of God and no one controls Gods Spirit. That too has to be understood spiritually. That you have understood and felt the experience of getting it then loosing it, getting it, then it slips away out of your field of understanding, is exactly how God is working to bring  the sense of dependence for everything on Him. That in itself is a gift from God. 8)


--- Quote from: Judy on September 27, 2010, 03:38:11 AM ---
 I can't be the only one who gets in this dilemna.


--- End quote ---

You got that so right! You are NOT the only one who gets in this dilema ;D...you are one of the very FEW who do! 8)...with Grape seeing and tasting that the Lord IS Good! :)

Blessings

Arc

judith collier:
Arc, my 2 cents worth is that i am at it again with the control thing going full speed. I sure hope it is God's will to be delivered of this. I would appreciate a few prayers from anyone reading this and I sure hope it is God's will because this is torment! Or do I have to work at this too? I mean like practicing and praying and such because if you say I do I am doomed. I will make a career out of this too. Got a real knack!
I notice from looking back that i slowly get into this mess from taking charge of everything that comes my way. It is hard not to because there is so much to be done and I when given a task I go like a train engine, always have. Figure if I don't do it, who will. The bad thing is I am not always feeling well and getting pretty darn old here and boy, can I get mean!
Again, I think it is a matter of trust and lack of faith in God's love for me. Figure (intellectually, carnal) JUST GOT THAT!!! Anyway, not focusing on God but on the tasks at hand. Which one is it, Mary or Martha that got her skivies in a knot from  choosing the least best path.
You sure got a way of pushing my envelope Arc, always stretching me and sometimes I get darn right angry because it is not pleasant to be stretched. AND I WANT IMMEDIATE ANSWERS. Dear God, I am my own worst enemy! Just remembered that God would keep in peace those whose minds are stayed on Him. Thanks, God.
Thanks Arc for taking the time for about the 20th time. judy

grapehound:



--- Quote ---I sure hope it is God's will because this is torment! Or do I have to work at this too?
--- End quote ---

Dearest sister Judy

I think you just answered your own questions in that last posting.!  :P
It's  ALL God ! He is the Author AND the Perfecter of YOUR faith.  8)
I really feel for you sis.    :(

Please understand He doesn't want you all stretched out and "tormented" :-\
It's not you that has to "work" at this. That's His work ! :)
He is working through you ALL the time.! The highs and the lows, the ups and downs, He knows it all. Every single emotion, every tear, every laugh. ;D

I don't believe that Martha chose "the least best path", she was doing right, entertaining her Special guest.  But Jesus discerned that she was displeased with Mary, for sitting in awe of Him. It wasn't  Martha's work that was the problem, it was the condition of her heart toward Mary.

Line from a song:

"Take a break from all I know
Just sit back and let it go
Then I find I've broken through
to the Light again."

Sometimes the hardest thing to do in life is......nothing.
You can't always change a circumstance, but you can change how you feel about it.

Well Judy, you've certainly made it to the top of my prayer list, ( well just under Ray and Manuela !)

Every blessing on you, tired little lamb,
In the Mighty Name of our Beautiful Saviour Jesus.

(He makes you to lie down in green pastures. He leads you beside the still waters.
He restores your soul.)

Deborah-Leigh:
Oh my dearest sweet poet sister Judy. :-*

Grapehound, did you know Judy loves poetry?

I have to agree with Grape regarding our Sister Martha. To give you some Scripture on the assessment, we have only to look to see who the Lord rose Lazarus for. Was it for Martha or her sister that chose the better part, to sit and listen, yet she did not come running to the Lord as Martha did! Look. I'd go as far to say Babylon also chooses the better part and sits, listens and doesn't go out to the Lord, or obey and revere Him, and when it does go out to the Lord eventually, it is with a train of crying professionals who complain, weap and maon their demands upon the Lord! Enough to make anyone weep! :D That is not to discount or overlook the insight that the condition of the heart whereby Martha complains about Mary, was seen by our Lord as only He can see the condition of our hearts! :)...as noted by our brother Grape.

Sure Martha’s sister chose the better part yet like the son who says yes yes, Father and then disobeys, who is the son more blessed. The one to say no and then obeys!
Sure Martha is anxious and troubled about many things as too are those entering the Kingdom of God are under trials and tribulations not un -wearily or with diplomatic immunity to the strain and pain! God did not send Jesus an anesthetic to go to the Cross. In fact He rejected such pain avoiding pacifiers! 8)

Joh 11:39  Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. MARTHA, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days.
Joh 11:40  Jesus saith unto her,(MARTHA) Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
Joh 11:41  Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank Thee that thou hast heard Me.

Judy, your honesty resounds in vivid feelings, hurts and expressions of desire for Him your King of Peace and Hope of Glory. I had no idea that I could be experienced as you describe!!

I had a real lift of joy from your disclosure that I “push your envelope” and that you feel “stretched”….because I could feel your love shine through the pain that certainly would be part of feeling the way you describe! I didn’t know! I had no idea! I’d also feel the same! You don’t know if you should love or hate me!....Loving me makes it feel like you are saying the pain is okay and hating me just makes the pain worse! Pretty nasty! I feel for you Judy! I really think I understand. That is tormenting! :( :'(

Look, God has got you exactly where He wants you and make no deceived mistake about it, God has me where He wants me too! I just haven’t told anyone where that place is in broad detail! If you want to know then, you’ll wish I hadn’t said anything because it is just too much for my closest relatives to bear who have headed for the hills, denied me and turned from me. If my life were a picture of bliss, ease and spiritual relaxation, then oh boy, I’d have the family, the worldly family all at the table! They are not there. I sup with the Lord alone as you do, as others here do and as we are most profoundly blessed to be doing!

My life is not easy! It is very far from certain or sure. That’s where God has me. Nothing is easy for those God is preparing for His Kingdom ~ yet it is possible ~ all things are possible for our God.

Grape I don’t care where I am on your prayer list ~ just as long as I’m a permanent resident in there somewhere  ~ I find comfort to know that all BT Forum Members are in Ray’s prayers for us! :)

God hears us.

Affectionately

Deborah

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