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gallenwalsh:
I want to ask what The apostle Paul meant by categorizing sin into two categories: Some small sin that you can pray about and a rather grievous sin that leads to the lake of fire( I do not say you should pray for that ). There is another category here as well and that is a brother in Christ . I do believe he is speaking regarding another known believer when he says a brother.as in if you see a brother overtaken in a fault. Which leads to another quandary: only Christ knows who are truly his. So are we to consider everyone a brother? Then again if you do not have the holy spirit you are a ******* ( unbeliever ). It can get confusing. But my main concern is the two categories of sin. Can anyone give me an example of the two categories?

mharrell08:

--- Quote from: gallenwalsh on September 05, 2010, 06:35:32 AM ---I want to ask what The apostle Paul meant by categorizing sin into two categories: Some small sin that you can pray about and a rather grievous sin that leads to the lake of fire( I do not say you should pray for that ). There is another category here as well and that is a brother in Christ . I do believe he is speaking regarding another known believer when he says a brother.as in if you see a brother overtaken in a fault. Which leads to another quandary: only Christ knows who are truly his. So are we to consider everyone a brother? Then again if you do not have the holy spirit you are a ******* ( unbeliever ). It can get confusing. But my main concern is the two categories of sin. Can anyone give me an example of the two categories?
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John 5:16-17  If anyone should be perceiving his brother sinning a sin not to death, he shall be requesting, and He will be giving him life for those sinning not to death. There is a sin to death: I am not saying that he should be asking concerning that. All injustice is sin, and there is a sin not to death. [CLV]


Hello Gallenwalsh,

I know you said Paul, but I'll assume this is the passage in question. As far as your questions:


--- Quote from: gallenwalsh on September 05, 2010, 06:35:32 AM ---I want to ask what The apostle Paul meant by categorizing sin into two categories: Some small sin that you can pray about and a rather grievous sin that leads to the lake of fire( I do not say you should pray for that ).
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While John did not categorize sins as small or big, he did say to not ask concerning one particular sin. It is the same one that Christ said that is not to be forgiven in this age as well as the writer of Hebrews stating it brings about a 'worse punishment'.

Matt 12:31-32  Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come

Heb 10:29  Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?

The reason we are told 'not to ask' concerning this is also found in Hebrews:

Heb 10:30-31  For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “The LORD will judge His people.” It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.



--- Quote from: gallenwalsh on September 05, 2010, 06:35:32 AM ---There is another category here as well and that is a brother in Christ . I do believe he is speaking regarding another known believer when he says a brother.as in if you see a brother overtaken in a fault.
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I don't see all these 'categories' you speak of. John simply says for one particular sin, do not ask about. Obviously if one believes in this sin in question, they are not truly begotten of God as John says so himself in the next sentence:

John 5:18  We are aware that everyone who has been begotten of God is not sinning, but he who is begotten of God is keeping himself, and the wicked one is not touching him [CLV]



--- Quote from: gallenwalsh on September 05, 2010, 06:35:32 AM ---Which leads to another quandary: only Christ knows who are truly his. So are we to consider everyone a brother? Then again if you do not have the holy spirit you are a ******* ( unbeliever ). It can get confusing.
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No, only those who do the will of the Father are considered our 'mother, brother, sister, etc.' [Matt 12:50]. It is only confusing when we worry about whether someone else is obeying the Will of God, to our liking. Don't spend time thinking about who's a brother or not but rather practice to love thy neighbor as thyself. When that is done, who is and is not a brother/sister in Christ will be perfectly clear. You shall know them by their fruits as they will know you [Matt 7:19-20].



--- Quote from: gallenwalsh on September 05, 2010, 06:35:32 AM ---But my main concern is the two categories of sin. Can anyone give me an example of the two categories?
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Again, I don't know why we use terms (like categories) the original writers didn't but that's a discussion for another day. As far as examples, the example that happens with Christ is probably the most accurate:

Matt 12:22-24  Then one was brought to Him who was demon-possessed, blind and mute; and He healed him, so that the blind and mute man both spoke and saw. And all the multitudes were amazed and said, “Could this be the Son of David?” Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.”

This is what caused Jesus to make the pronouncement about the sin not forgiven in this age or the next. It is to call the good works of God evil ["Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness...Isa 5:20]. It's the same as calling the works of Christ 'common' and to 'trample under one's foot', spiritually speaking.

Few do this and the ones that do have no consciousness about it. That's why there is no point in praying that they will turn around, in this age. The Lord will repay according to their works (words, thoughts, actions).


Hope this helps,

Marques

soberxp:
marques
is it John 5:18?1John 5:18  We are aware that everyone who has been begotten of God is not sinning, but he who is begotten of God is keeping himself, and the wicked one is not touching him [CLV] ???

gallenwalsh:
Thank you for that ! It's a bit odd for me having to learn all over again, what I knew as a much younger man. I truly am "confused" about GOD and life,full of doubt,and fear. but getting much better.Somewhere a long the line I got "lost". I have memory of many scriptures but lost the understanding. Guess I became dark in trespass and sin. " and the light shined in the dark, but the dark comprehended it not. That's me for sure. again thank you for that bit of light.

Joel:
1 John, 5:18 We know[absolutely] that any one born of God does not [deliberately and knowingly] practice committing sin, but the One Who was begotten of God carefully watches over and protects him - Christ's divine presence within him preserves him against the evil- and the wicked one does not lay hold ( get a grip) on him or touch[him].

Joel

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