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[Fester]

Sorry for offtopic but if talking about a sense of humor do you think God is offended by funny portrayals of him in popular fiction (movies, cartoons, comic books, etc) or rather take them lightly?

My opinion only ....
 
We don't like being mocked yet we have a sense of humor.  Being made into the image of God I am sure He does not like being mocked as well.  There are examples in the scriptures which show Him having a sense of humor.
 

[aqrinc]

Thought Rapture was in 1952 so i missed it, born too late in the year i guess, Oh well, better luck next time.

Laurellen,

If someone is coming to you, asking questions of such importance to them; it is probably a good idea to be prepared to give an account of what you believe, and why you do believe so. Simple truths you have learned work well, no need to have great revelation for anyone.

george .

 

[soberxp]

Sorry for offtopic but if talking about a sense of humor do you think God is offended by funny portrayals of him in popular fiction (movies, cartoons, comic books, etc) or rather take them lightly?

I would say NO!
did you really thought god let these people did what they did ? god knows how to keep things on the “right hand"  not people really in right path nor control people as robot people(that's Nazi theory).

I wanna say this a long time ago.what? All is of god,people goes to hell is of god,so what they have done is all of god?no matter what they have done All is of god ?what's the heck?is our god schizophrenia? 
people did what they did is all of god?okay,if I tell you what I said is all of god,you still don't believe in me,but you are still believe in people did what they did is all of god.
this is false teaching.

[lauriellen]

last night i couldn't sleep, so got up and was poking around on the computer. was reading this poor womans fb page and really sensed that she was so ashamed and confused about the rapture not happening on the 10th like she had predicted....i just felt led to share Ray's article on 'exposing the rapture'..
so i sent a private message (i had never contacted her before) offerring her the link to Ray's article and thought she might be interested in taking a look at it....i half way expected to get a hateful email back from her (that has been my experience lately when i tell people i don't believe in hell, rapture, ect)....but to my suprise, she wrote back thanking me for the article and said she would read it with an open mind & heart!.....so maybe it wasn't just a coincidence that my friend brought this lady's page to my attention.....never know...only God knows what He's up to.....=)

[Kat]

Hi Lauriellen,

but to my suprise, she wrote back thanking me for the article and said she would read it with an open mind & heart!

You just never know.


Hi Soberxp,

I wanna say this a long time ago.what? All is of god,people goes to hell is of god,so what they have done is all of god?no matter what they have done All is of god ?what's the heck?is our god schizophrenia?

Ray explains this in great detail at these links
The Myth of "Free Will" Exposed - Part A http://bible-truths.com/lake15.html
The Myth of "Free Will" Exposed - Part B http://bible-truths.com/lake15-B.html
The Myth of "Free Will" Exposed - Part C http://bible-truths.com/lake15-C.html
The Myth of "Free Will" Exposed - Part D http://bible-truths.com/lake15-D.html

In order for you to have like minded conversations with us here you need to read the articles at Bible-truths. That is what we all have in common, that is why we are here, we believe the truths taught from the articles at Bible truths. If you really want to understand us you will have to take the time to study these articles.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

[soberxp]

  hi Kat

I read it part befor but not all,somehow I don't need to read more about Ray's paper,and then I can surely understand what Ray was trying to tell.

I use these Quite simply word to explain free will.
1.our god is merciful.
2.our god hope eveyone get save.
3.so our free will depend on 1st and 2nd.

[Kat]

Soberxp, that is what I mean, you DO need to read and study the articles if you want understanding.  What you said, 1.our god is merciful. This is very true. 2.our god hope eveyone get save. Hope? Hope is saying that God is not certain He can save all. Here are '100 Verses Proclaiming the 'Salvation of All' http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,11798.0.html

This is one of the fundamental truths taught by Ray and a very basic belief we have, that ALL will most certainly be saved. So take time and study, you need to understand what we believe in order for your posting to be appropriate and in line with what we believe.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

[soberxp]

Soberxp, that is what I mean, you DO need to read and study the articles if you want understanding.  What you said, 1.our god is merciful. This is very true. 2.our god hope eveyone get save. Hope? Hope is saying that God is not certain He can save all. Here are '100 Verses Proclaiming the 'Salvation of All' http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,11798.0.html

This is one of the fundamental truths taught by Ray and a very basic belief we have, that ALL will most certainly be saved. So take time and study, you need to understand what we believe in order for your posting to be appropriate and in line with what we believe.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

no doubt god could save all men,then the ruler should be nonsensical writing,there will be no ruler,even no matter believer or unbeliever.god just do what he want to do,that's it.what can I say?

if god will have all men to be saved,so what's the bottom line?



Matthew - 25:46
kjv:And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

[Kat]

no doubt god could save all men,then the ruler should be nonsensical writing,there will be no ruler,even no matter believer or unbeliever.god just do what he want to do,that's it.what can I say?

if god will have all men to be saved,so what's the bottom line?

Soberxp you say that "then the ruler should be nonsensical writing..." and you use this verse.

Mat 25:46  And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

This is the MAIN point of all the articles on this site, that there is NO eternal punishment. It is in all the articles numerous times. The verse you gave is a Bible translation, the original text says it quite clearly. Here is a better translation from Rotherham.

Mat 25:46 And, these, shall go away, into, age-abiding, correction, but, the righteous, into, age-abiding, life.

The "age-abiding correction" is just what it says it is, correction. All of the vast majority of humanity that go to the great white throne judgment will go into the lake of fire and will be corrected, purged of their sinful way and receive salvation, no exception.

Php 2:9  Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,
v. 10  that at the name of Jesus EVERY knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth,
v. 11  and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Rom 14:11  For it is written:
       "As I live, says the LORD,
       EVERY knee shall bow to Me,
       And every tongue shall confess to God."

mercy, peace and love
Kat

[soberxp]

2Peter - 彼得后书 2:9
kjv:The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
niv:if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.

you could found in Greek  http://www.yawill.com/

2Peter 2:9
Mat 25:46

they are not the same word "punishment" in Greek,how can it be ? I wonder Rotherham who used An inexact mind; an inexact method.

[Deborah-Leigh]

Hi soberxp

No one knows enough or everything ~ only God does and no one is yet in His Perfect Image. We all have to learn things we believe we don't have to learn. We all have to keep learning even when we think we know enough. It's tough!  

Here is an excerp from FOUNDATIONAL TRUTHS
               [How much truth does it take to set one FREE?]

No one is yet FREE and only Jesus Christ and the Liberty of His Spirit is truly free.  All shall be held unaccountable if we ignor, turn away from or despise the Truth. The Truth has brought you here to BT where we all need to read, and re-read and ask God by the Gift of His Spirit to make what we read become more and more integrated into our being so we can with the help and vital need of the Spirit of God the Father, put on the Mind of His Son our Lord Jesus Christ. Here is a little bit of that very mind of Christ we all treasure and need to increasingly aspire to be and image.   Maybe, God willing, it will comfort, help and edify you to rise past the false truths about our God.  


 Regardless of what you think it implies or might mean or this or that.  It does not say that God’s Word is not Truth does it?  No.  Well then do we have a Scripture that says God Word is Truth?  Yes.  Then you can’t have a Scripture that contradicts that.’

See you can’t have a Scripture that suggests sometimes under certain circumstances, that there are times or places where God’s Word is not true.  No, so don’t go there.  

You can say, ‘Is there a Scripture that God does NOT wish - care - please - want to - desire - wishes or any word that you want to say, that all men be saved?  Is there a Scripture that says that?  NO.  Well if you can’t show me a Scripture that says He doesn’t want all men to be saved, then you try to tell me the one that says He does want them saved, is a lie.  Don’t you go there with me.  That’s the true Scripture.’
  
If he has no Scripture that says God doesn’t desire or wish or want or please that all men be saved, it’s because there is no such Scripture.  But if he tries to come up with anything that contradicts it... It can’t.  Because we have a plain statement.  

Is there a Scripture that says the Son will NOT be the Savior of the world?  God the Father commissioned Jesus Christ in 1 John 4:14 to BE the Savior of the world.  Now is there a Scripture that says God did NOT commission Him or that He will NOT be the Savior of the world?  Is the such a Scripture?  
So then don’t let anybody take you somewhere to some Scripture, that they think contradicts this Truth.  Don’t go there!  
                       OTHER EXAMPLES OF SCRIPTURAL KEYS

You’ve got all these Scriptures about fire, punishment, hell and burning and all that stuff.  Is there anyway to lump that together or bring that all together under one Scripture or two Scriptures, but the same idea?  Is there a way to do that so that all those meanings do not mean that this is a eternity of torture?  Is there a way to do that with just one idea, two Scripture with one idea?  Any idea on that?  Okay the two Scriptures and they are easy to remember, 1 Cor. 3:15 and Rev. 20:15, they are both verse 15.
They both talk about “fire” and they will say, 'well it says the Lake of fire in Revelation, that‘s eternal torture.’

Rev 20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

But it says every man’s WORK is going to be tried in that fire, because there is another set of Scriptures in I Cor. 3, it says…

1 Cor 3:15  If any man's WORK shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be SAVED; yet so as by FIRE.

But guess what this one tells us that Revelation doesn’t?  That’s how you get SAVED, through the FIRE!  Oh yeah you will be put in the fire, “but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire.”  The fire doesn’t torture you for all eternity, it will save you!  

Do we have a Scripture that says the fire in Revelation is for all eternity?  They will say, ‘well yeah.’  No there isn’t, there isn‘t one that says that.  ‘Well it says Satan will be tormented day and night forever and ever.’  Well now we are back to the definition of aion and aionios you see, because we have a bad translation here.  Besides it’s talking about Satan, it’s not talking about people thrown into fire down below.  

Another favorite Scripture of mine, now there are others that are similar, but there is not any that state it as clearly as Isaiah.  Mark this in your Bible and learn it.  
The idea is that they say, when God’s judgments are in the earth most of the people will not repent and they will perish and be tortured for all eternity, forever and ever and ever in the Lake of fire, the fire that has no quenching and the worm do not die, etc…
Do we have a Scripture that says when the judgments of God come to this whole entire world and all the inhabitants of the earth, then those people WILL learn righteousness?  Yes we do.

Isa 26:9  With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.

You just got to believe that verse!  It says the inhabitants of the WORLD.  When?  When Thy judgments are in the earth.  Now who does that include?  You can start spreading out in the Scriptures, but if you don’t know, just stick to that Scripture.  The whole earth, all the inhabitants of the whole world, to me that is everybody.  They say, ‘no it’s not.’  Well to me it is, I’m sorry you are going to have to show me a verse that says, when His judgments are in the earth, NOT all the inhabitants of the whole world will learn righteousness.  Do you have a Scripture that says that?  ‘No.’  Well then you don’t have a Scripture that contradicts that Scripture.  If you did we would have to throw the Bible out anyway, because then it wouldn’t be true and God would be a liar.  

Are you following, the one principle I’m trying to get across?  You only have to know a few key Scriptures and you can put down every evil doctrine in religion in the church today.  Just a couple of Scripture, that’s all you need.  But you’ve got to believe them and you’ve got to stick by them.  

If somebody says, ‘yeah but…’  Yeah but, are you telling me you’ve got a Scripture that makes a liar out of this Scripture?  That breaks this Scripture?  That diminishes from this Scripture?  Are you telling me you have a Scripture like that?  If you are there is the door and I will not talk to you any longer.  

So you can spread out, but you get that one Scripture you know.  Acts 17 comes to mind.  
They say, ‘was it really talking about the whole world or maybe it’s just “given” period, when His judgments are in the earth to all the people at that particular time?’  For crying out loud, if God can save all the people in the world at any one given time, who are you to say He couldn’t do it at some other time too.  It’s nonsense.  

Act 17:31  Because He (God) hath appointed a day, in the which He (God) will judge the world in righteousness by that Man (Jesus Christ) whom He hath ordained; whereof He hath given assurance unto all men, in that He hath raised Him from the dead.

God is going to send the Man that died for our sins and raised back up from the dead.  As an assurance to the people that are being judged you see, that there is a future life for them in righteousness.  But first they have to be judged.  

Who is the assurance given to?  ALL men!  
When is this assurance going to be given to them?  In judgment.  
But what kind of assurance can you give people in judgment, that is IF the assurance is for sure you are going to hell for all eternity?  Because if you wasn’t (going to hell) you would have already come up in the first resurrection, which you didn’t… so you are all going to hell?  Now how do you like that for the assurance, that is in Christ Jesus?  

Can’t you see these things?  Boy I’m telling you, learn a couple of things and then stick with it.  Don’t ever give it up.  You will be surprised.  Then you can’t be pulled aside with every wind of doctrine.  

[Kat]

Soberxp, you certainly need to have read over the Bible truths site, at least once, in order to have an opinion about what is taught here. Please take a minute to review the rules of this forum.

THE IMPORTANT STUFF:

This forum and how it is moderated, is different than most all religious based forums on the internet so please read carefully.

If you are considering joining this forum before reading and studying  www.bible-truths.com, please reconsider.
It would be beneficial to all involved if you take the time to familiarize yourself with the teaching of L.Ray Smith first.

This is not the place to decide if you agree with the teaching of L.Ray Smith, but a place you can retreat to when you do.

This forum is primarily a place for people of a like mind to fellowship, and secondarily to discuss and question what they learn on bible-truths.com.

If you seriously disagree with Ray, please email him directly.

If you come here to teach us, please take your teaching elsewhere.

Hope you will see where I am coming from. If you want to join in and discuss what is taught at BT you need to know what is there. How can you question or object to something that you have not even read or studied? This forum is only for discussion of the truth taught at BT, so your making statements of what you believe to be true is not appropriate, at least not until you are knowledgeable in the fundamentals taught here. It takes time and effort to go through all the articles here, but if God opens your mind to the truth the reward can not be measured.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

[Marky Mark]

2Peter - 彼得后书 2:9
kjv:The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
niv:if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.

you could found in Greek  http://www.yawill.com/

2Peter 2:9
Mat 25:46

they are not the same word "punishment" in Greek,how can it be ? I wonder Rotherham who used An inexact mind; an inexact method.

soberxp.
The word usage for punishment seems to be of the same meaning in both of the verses that you are saying have a different meaning.


2Pe 2:9  The LordG2962 knowethG1492 how to deliverG4506 the godlyG2152 out ofG1537 temptations,G3986 andG1161 to reserveG5083 the unjustG94 untoG1519 the dayG2250 of judgmentG2920 to be punished:G2849

Lexicon Results
Strong's G2849 - kolazō
1) to lop or prune, as trees and wings
2) to curb, check, restrain
3) to chastise, correct, punishment
4) to cause to be punished

Mat 25:46  AndG2532 theseG3778 shall go awayG565 intoG1519 everlastingG166 punishment:G2851 butG1161 theG3588 righteousG1342 intoG1519 lifeG2222 eternal.G166

Lexicon Results
Strong's G2851 - kolasis
 1) correction, punishment, penalty


Also from the CLV.

Mat 25:46 And these shall be coming away into chastening eonian, yet the just into life eonian."

2Pe 2:9 the Lord is acquainted with the rescue of the devout out of trial, yet is keeping the unjust for chastening in the day of judging,

Hope this helps.

Peace...Mark

[soberxp]

is this also wrong?
Revelation - 21:27
kjv:And there shall in no wise enter into it(the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, ) any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

niv:Nothing impure will ever enter it(the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, ) , nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.

did you think one who didn't enter into it(the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, ) ,you guys call it get save?


P.S:
BTW. I CARE the correct, correction,

Revelation - 21:27 did you think one who didn't enter into it(the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, ) ,you guys call it(didn't enter into her the holy Jerusalem) get save?

is english too hard to understand?should I speak chinese?

[Kat]

Hi Soberxp,

is this also wrong?
Revelation - 21:27
kjv:And there shall in no wise enter into it(the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, ) any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

What do you mean is this wrong? Scripture is true, it's the interpretation that is wrong.

did you think one who didn't enter into it(the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, ) ,you guys call it get save?

Here are a couple of places Ray discusses this 'Holy Jerusalem.'

http://bible-truths.com/lake11.html --------------------

A TALE OF TWO JERUSALEM'S

"Him that overcomes will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is NEW JERUSALEM…" (Rev. 3:12).

What is this "New Jerusalem?" It is a "Mother." Mothers are women who have given birth to children. We have all been birthed by a physical woman—a mother. In order to be "born again," we must be birthed by a spiritual mother. And just who is that spiritual mother?

"For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answers to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage [through the DEPTHS of Satan] with her children. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is THE MOTHER OF US ALL" (Gal. 4:25-26).

Our spiritual mother is Jerusalem above. Don’t be deceived by the phrase, "…of us ALL," seeing that Paul himself puts a disclaimer at the end of chapter 5 showing specifically who the "all" includes here:

"For IN Christ Jesus neither circumcision avails any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a NEW CREATURE [creation]. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the [spiritual] Israel of God" (Gal. 5:15-16).

And what is this "rule" that Paul is speaking of? Why those who are living by the spirit, and not the flesh and letter of the Law of Moses. Those who live by the "Law of the SPIRIT" which is what the New Covenant is all about.

"LOVE your enemies!"

"Love NOT the world, neither the things that are in the world"

The lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life!

"I am crucified WITH Christ!"

These are the spiritual laws of the New Covenant. They are far superior to the laws of Moses under the Old Covenant.

http://bible-truths.com/lake8.html --------------

"Him that overcomes will I make a pillar [a position of great spiritual responsibility] in the temple of my God" (3:12).

That’s CHRIST,

"And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the Chief Corner Stone; In Whom all the building fitly framed together grows unto an HOLY TEMPLE IN THE LORD" (Eph. 2:21).

Christ is our Temple for we live in Him as HIS BODY, and we are the temple of God’s Holy Spirit that lives and dwells IN US, and Christ IS that Spirit—"abide in Me, and I in you."

And "…he shall go no more out" That’s CHRIST. We are IN Christ, we are the Body of Christ, Christ is our temple, our house, where we dwell "IN Christ."

We abide and dwell in Christ and Christ abides and dwells and lives HIS LIFE in us, so that we will "go no more out," till at the consummations of all the ages, "God may be ALL in All" (I Cor. 15:28).

"And I will write upon him the NAME OF MY GOD, and the NAME OF THE CITY of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God: and I will write upon him MY NEW NAME."

That’s CHRIST! These are honors and rewards bestowed upon us by Christ. The 144,000 (12 x 12, complete foundational kingdom of God’s government for the new world) are given the Father’s name in their foreheads (Rev. 14:1 & 22:4). Not a tattoo on the forehead skin, but inside their foreheads, in their hearts and minds.

New Jerusalem is the heavenly Jerusalem spoken of in Heb. 12:22, where "the general assembly and church of the firstborn [Christ and His anointed body of believers], which are written in heaven" is found. It is from New Jerusalem and heavenly Mt. Sion that the government of Christ will proceed in bringing Salvation to the Earth and the Universe (Isa. 2:2). I will write upon him My new name.
 -----------------

mercy, peace and love
Kat

[Deborah-Leigh]

Hi soberxp

Here is something else that might help.

Let us now go through all 31 verses of Scripture in which the translated sheol into the English word hell, and count all of the times that we find the words: condemned souls, devils, eternal punishment, Satan, separation of God, evil, misery, discord or destruction, torment, anguish.
  1. condemned souls is found   ZERO times
  2. devils   ZERO times
  3. eternal punishment (or punish alone)   ZERO times
  4. Satan   ZERO times
  5. separation of God   ZERO times
  6. evil   ZERO times
  7. misery   ZERO times
  8. discord or destruction   ZERO times
  9. torment   ZERO times
10. anguish   ZERO times
   ----------------------
   TOTAL: ZERO!
Ref :LOF 16 B

[soberxp]

6. evil   ZERO times
tree of knowledge of good and evil.
それから 善惡の 知識の 木とを 生えさせた．  

Ray's paper http://bible-truths.com/lake16-B.html

"For the Lord shall judge His people… I KILL, and I make ALIVE: I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of My hand" (Deut. 32:36a & 39).

Notice that according to God Himself, the only way that someone He "kills" can ever live again is if God also "makes alive" again. Do Christians believe that dead people must be made alive again? No, of course not. They don’t believe that dead people are even dead, so why would God ever have to "make alive" again? It is not Scientifically, Physiologically, or Scripturally possible to physically DIE and yet be alive.

Ray's paper
"God the Father raised Jesus from the DEAD"
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,12234.0.html

contradiction in terms

[Deborah-Leigh]

The topic soberxp, is not the tree of knowledge of good and evil.  

Look again. We are talking about the verses of Scripture in which sheol is translated into the English word hell.

The tree of knowledge is a whole other subject.  

Arc

[soberxp]

The topic soberxp, is not the tree of knowledge of good and evil.  

Look again. We are talking about the verses of Scripture in which sheol is translated into the English word hell.

The tree of knowledge is a whole other subject.  

Arc

we are talking about bible,whole bible,not only one word or 2 or 3.

God is in sheol or in hell (Psalm 139: 8 )
Psalm - 诗篇 139:8
kjv:If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
niv:If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there.
amp:If I ascend up into heaven, You are there; if I make my bed in Sheol (the place of the dead), behold, You are there.(3)
asv:If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, thou art there.
nasb:If I ascend to heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there.
esv:"If I ascend to heaven, you are there! If I make my bed in Sheol, you are there!"
sheol in chinese is 阴间,means  the thick darkness place in chinese,which literally means .Exo 20:21  And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was.  

Near Death Experiences
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,7306.40.html

would you think that is hatch an elaborate plan by myself ? (well-coordinated )

[Astrapho]

Forgive me for chiming in. D;

we are talking about bible,whole bible,not only one word or 2 or 3.

In this case Arcturus was only talking about one topic out of many in the bible. Read again:

Let us now go through all 31 verses of Scripture in which the translated sheol into the English word hell, and count all of the times that we find the words: condemned souls, devils, eternal punishment, Satan, separation of God, evil, misery, discord or destruction, torment, anguish (in the same verse).

sheol in chinese is 阴间,means  the thick darkness place in chinese,which literally means

I do study a bit of chinese in school (though admittedly not very good at it xD) but enough to know that there are a lot of limitations in the language when it comes to translating certain expressions in English... Or, worse, from Hebrew to Greek to English to Chinese. Remember, bibles aren't infallible, you can't take their choice of words in Chinese as the actual scripture, you gotta go back to the Hebrew root. And sheol didn't mean "the thick darkness place" (I believe a better translation is "netherworld"), it meant unseen and imperceptible.

God in sheol or hell! Ray has emphasized throughout his writings that there's no hell, and God is certainly not in sheol, He's everywhere. I'll just stop typing now and go back to my little hole lulz.