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soberxp:
;D hi Kat
I read it part befor but not all,somehow I don't need to read more about Ray's paper,and then I can surely understand what Ray was trying to tell.
I use these Quite simply word to explain free will.
1.our god is merciful.
2.our god hope eveyone get save.
3.so our free will depend on 1st and 2nd.
Kat:
Soberxp, that is what I mean, you DO need to read and study the articles if you want understanding. What you said, 1.our god is merciful. This is very true. 2.our god hope eveyone get save. Hope? Hope is saying that God is not certain He can save all. Here are '100 Verses Proclaiming the 'Salvation of All' http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,11798.0.html
This is one of the fundamental truths taught by Ray and a very basic belief we have, that ALL will most certainly be saved. So take time and study, you need to understand what we believe in order for your posting to be appropriate and in line with what we believe.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
soberxp:
--- Quote from: Kat on September 11, 2010, 07:25:39 PM ---
Soberxp, that is what I mean, you DO need to read and study the articles if you want understanding. What you said, 1.our god is merciful. This is very true. 2.our god hope eveyone get save. Hope? Hope is saying that God is not certain He can save all. Here are '100 Verses Proclaiming the 'Salvation of All' http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,11798.0.html
This is one of the fundamental truths taught by Ray and a very basic belief we have, that ALL will most certainly be saved. So take time and study, you need to understand what we believe in order for your posting to be appropriate and in line with what we believe.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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no doubt god could save all men,then the ruler should be nonsensical writing,there will be no ruler,even no matter believer or unbeliever.god just do what he want to do,that's it.what can I say?
if god will have all men to be saved,so what's the bottom line?
Matthew - 25:46
kjv:And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Kat:
--- Quote ---no doubt god could save all men,then the ruler should be nonsensical writing,there will be no ruler,even no matter believer or unbeliever.god just do what he want to do,that's it.what can I say?
if god will have all men to be saved,so what's the bottom line?
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Soberxp you say that "then the ruler should be nonsensical writing..." and you use this verse.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
This is the MAIN point of all the articles on this site, that there is NO eternal punishment. It is in all the articles numerous times. The verse you gave is a Bible translation, the original text says it quite clearly. Here is a better translation from Rotherham.
Mat 25:46 And, these, shall go away, into, age-abiding, correction, but, the righteous, into, age-abiding, life.
The "age-abiding correction" is just what it says it is, correction. All of the vast majority of humanity that go to the great white throne judgment will go into the lake of fire and will be corrected, purged of their sinful way and receive salvation, no exception.
Php 2:9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,
v. 10 that at the name of Jesus EVERY knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth,
v. 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Rom 14:11 For it is written:
"As I live, says the LORD,
EVERY knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall confess to God."
mercy, peace and love
Kat
soberxp:
2Peter - 彼得后书 2:9
kjv:The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
niv:if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
you could found in Greek http://www.yawill.com/
2Peter 2:9
Mat 25:46
they are not the same word "punishment" in Greek,how can it be ? I wonder Rotherham who used An inexact mind; an inexact method.
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