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Kat:

Hi Booker,

I think this will help you with "eternal/eonian redemption."

http://bible-truths.com/aeonion.htm ------------

Now for one of the most important truths of all regarding this word "aionios." When God says that He is "the EONIAN God," He is stating a FACT. That Jesus procured "EONIAN redemption" for us, is a statement of FACT. Neither "eonian God" nor "eonian redemption" are statements of LIMITATION. And to suggest that they are statements of limitation is to pervert the Scriptures—they neither say nor insinuate any such thing.

This principle of stating a FACT, which is not a statement of LIMITATION is found throughout the Scriptures. God is for example: "The God OF Abraham, OF Isaac, and OF Jacob"(Ex. 3:6). This is a statement of FACT. It is not a statement of LIMITATION. This statement of fact does not limit God from also being the God of Moses, David, Peter and Paul.

If the statement said that God is the "God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob ONLY," then it would be a statement of limitation, but we don’t find any such words of limitation in the verses in question. It doesn’t say that God is the "eonian God, ONLY," or that Jesus procured "eonian redemption ONLY" for us. Does it? Well, DOES IT? Why then do you deceitfully suggest that that is what IT MUST AND HAS TO MEAN?

And so this verse doesn’t say that Jesus procured for us eonian ONLY redemption, nor does it mean such a thing. But it does say that Jesus procured "EONIAN redemption for us," that that is a statement of fact, and that fact is Scripturally true. God’s elect will receiving "redemption" during the remaining eons of time. Nowhere does it say that at the end of the eons we will then LOSE our redemption. These are but unscriptural carnal arguments used to discredit God’s word and promote the pagan doctrine of eternal torture.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat

booker:
Another verse i don't get

John 5:22
For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

I thought that through judgment everyone will be saved?

Deborah-Leigh:

--- Quote from: booker on September 14, 2010, 05:58:46 AM ---I thought that through judgment everyone will be saved?

--- End quote ---

You thought right booker.  :) :)

No human being is saved without judgment. Judgment is for the unrighteous not the ten thousands of the Saints of the Lord who have sustained judgment, been proven worthy and have endured and overcome the Judgment on the House of the Lord during their lifetimes.

Jud 1:14  And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Jud 1:15  To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.

That the Father doesn’t judge “no man” follows well with ~

Eph 1:9  when He made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose
Eph 1:10  for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him.

Concerning the Father that judgeth no man ~


Mat 5:45  that so you may become true sons of your Father in Heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the wicked as well as the good, and sends rain upon those who do right and those who do wrong.

Should God the Father be held to account for causing His sun to rise on the wicked as well as the good? God forbid!
So we may become true sons of our Father in Heaven that is our Creator Jesus Christ, The Father of our Lord judgeth no man and causes His sun to rise on the wicked as well as the good for God The Father has given all power to His Son.

Joh 5:26  For just as the Father has life in Himself, so He has also given to the Son to have life in Himself.
Joh 5:27  And He has conferred on Him authority to act as Judge, because He is the Son of Man.

Arc

booker:
Ok..i get it thanks Arc.I checked the Concordant version, and finally understood that verse

John 5:22(Concordant)
For neither is the Father judging anyone, but has given all judging to the Son,

Deborah-Leigh:


Good job booker, to check the Concordant version! :) 8)


Arc

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