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Acts 2:23-24
Akira329:
--- Quote from: EKnight on September 13, 2010, 04:56:21 PM ---
--- Quote from: DanTheMan on September 12, 2010, 10:28:43 PM ---
Here is how I looked at it (Whom, God, raised up) JESUS (loosing the pangs of death) has no more pain from dying (inasmuch as it was, not possible, for him to continue held fast by it.) because it is impossible for him to retain it.
Dan
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Dan, I highlighted in bold what I am about to comment on.
The pain of dying had already ended when He died (ceased to be alive) and if there is no feeling or thoughts in death, then what is the agony of it?
Kat,
--- Quote ---I think that the key word here is "of." It does not say "loosed the pains 'in' death," meaning the state of being dead. But "loosed the pains OF the death," which would have been the act/agony of dying, experiencing His own death. I believe that the agony was in the knowledge of knowing He would be death, all life removed from Him.
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Knowing what I thought I knew about death, even I would not agonize over knowing that I am about to die. Perhaps knowing the way Christ was going to die was certainly agonizing for Him as we well know from the Garden. Regardless, the sequence in which this scripture is written clearly says He was loosed from the pangs or pains or agony of death AFTER he was dead. As I said to Dan, the agony of dying or the agony of anticipating His painful death had already ended three days before He was raised up.
I understand there are tons of other scriptures contradicting this one scripture, I just don't understand why it is there in the sequence it was inspired, and written.
Eileen
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Eileen I think you got it the first time.
Like Ray said, its not rocket science.
The resurrection itself is what freed Christ from the agony of death.
Think about it, Christ's last memory was being on the cross, being in pain, being in agony. What was the next thought? Freedom from pain and agony and death because he now has a spiritual/glorified body.
The scripture is true.
He was loosed by reason of resurrection
Also remember having assurance(state of mind)(spiritual) of resurrection doesn't free you from physical pain.
Paul said the resurrection was our only hope. With this still in mind he experienced many sufferings and pains in his life.
Hope this helps Eileen
Antaiwan
EKnight:
--- Quote ---The resurrection itself is what freed Christ from the agony of death.
Think about it, Christ's last memory was being on the cross, being in pain, being in agony. What was the next thought? Freedom from pain and agony and death because he now has a spiritual/glorified body.
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I think this clarifies it or is at least in keeping with what I've learned here.
Thanks Antaiwan.
Also, the second part "because it was not possible that he should be held by it" means God had to raise Christ from the dead in order to fulfill the rest of the prophecy, right?
Eileen
Stacey:
--- Quote ---Like Ray said, its not rocket science.
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No, its something far more complex than rocket science. Its Brain Scrabble! :)
Been following this topic, thanks for starting it Eileen.
--- Quote ---The resurrection itself is what freed Christ from the agony of death.
Think about it, Christ's last memory was being on the cross, being in pain, being in agony. What was the next thought? Freedom from pain and agony and death because he now has a spiritual/glorified body.
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This really nailed it down for me, thanks!
Deborah-Leigh:
This is a GREAT Thread!
Plenty evidence of the patient Fruit-of-the-Spirit listening, consideration and application of the Word of God showing that, though God's Word may at first feel to us that God contradicts Himself, THAT is simply the door to go through, God willing, into His illuminating liberating Truth! 8)
Arc
Marky Mark:
--- Quote ---Acts 2:24 whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it.
This is what I have found about this phrase "pains of death." The original Hebrew means “snares” or “traps” or “cords” of death where sheol and death are personified as hunters laying snares for prey. How Peter or Luke came to use the old Greek word ōdinas (birth pangs) we do not know. Early Christian writers interpreted the Resurrection of Christ as a birth out of death. “Loosing” (lusas) suits better the notion of “snares” held a prisoner by death, but birth pangs do bring deliverance to the mother also. (Robertson's)
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Kat,I think your answer is right on. I too came across the same info in looking for a proper answer,good job. Thank-you.
I could not help thinking about this cord of death thing.
Just as the umbilical cord that is attached to the fetus from the mother was designed to give life to the baby before birth, then, after delivery, the cord is then severed so that the baby can live free from the constraints of his/her mother, leads me to this thought.
It seems to me that the cord that Jesus was attached to in death, in the grave, was also severed so that He could be born again of the Spirit,free from the confines of the cords that held Him in the grave. When the Father gave life back to His Son, Jesus was then free from the cord that bound Him in death,just as a newborn baby is freed from the darkness of the womb. How wonderful a plan is that,engineered,designed and certified from the beginning. Christ being the Truth and the Way in the form of a reborn Spirit in which He is the Firstfruit . As much as I hate being tied down at times in my own misunderstandings of things Spiritual,I can not help to always pray that The Most High continues to cut the cord to my own Spiritual short comings. Now I wait with more patience for my freedom from these earthly constraints [cords] that all of us need to endure. Amen...
--- Quote ---The resurrection itself is what freed Christ from the agony of death.
Think about it, Christ's last memory was being on the cross, being in pain, being in agony. What was the next thought? Freedom from pain and agony and death because he now has a spiritual/glorified body.
The scripture is true.
He was loosed by reason of resurrection
Also remember having assurance(state of mind)(spiritual) of resurrection doesn't free you from physical pain.
Paul said the resurrection was our only hope. With this still in mind he experienced many sufferings and pains in his life.
Hope this helps Eileen
Antaiwan
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Thank you Antaiwan for your answer,sure makes a lot of Spiritual sense.
Peace...Mark
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