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An Encouraging Thought About Death:brain and nerve damage
Samson:
--- Quote from: Gabriel on September 15, 2010, 05:38:26 PM ---I was thinking about Ray's paper An Encouraging Thought About Death, and how science can be a useful aid in studying scripture and also disproving traditions of men so it came to me if we really go "somewhere else" when we die why is it that when we suffer brain damage or something else that can cause us to lose our memory well...why do we lose our memory??? or how about nerve damage? So if we really had an "immortal soul" like most of the church teaches we should be able to keep our thoughts and sensations regardless! Just a thought :)
Gabriel
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Hi Gabriel,
Your above Post displays a logical and thinking analysis and displays good reasoning. It certainly helps me to appreciate that Our Conscious Thoughts don't exist beyond This Life. All of Us require a Resurrection from the Dead. Your Post further supports Ecclesiastes. 9:5,10; Psalms. 146:3,4; Psalm. 104:29,30; Ecclesiastes. 3:19,20. Paraphrase from these passages: " Dead are conscious of nothing." Spirit goes out, thoughts do perish." " Mankind and Beast return to the Dust." etc, etc. Sorry, I don't have E sword, my Wife was supposed to retrieve it from wherever it disappeared.
But, Here's the thing Gabriel, some people like You and I and Others at BT desire facts, have reasoning skills, want to know the truth, take the time to investigate and desire to know more. God is the CAUSE of this All in us desiring these Truths and hungering for more. How often do We reason with people using clear irrefutable facts and they can't see it and don't want it. Some have said it's a miracle that anyone finds out about these truths that We learn here and Some have said it's even amazing that they don't see it. In my experiences, believing in "Free Will" and "The Immortality of Some Conscious Thought that lives On" seem to be tied for first place among those that are Spiritually deceived. Indeed, it's a Strong Idol of the Heart. The groundwork on those teachings begin early on in Childhood, those were probably the first two spiritual lies that I was taught growing up and by Parents that didn't even go or care about Church. Sad but True, most of Mankind will continue to believe these lies until the day they die. That's why there's much Joy when someone is given the Truth about these things and We get to know them. After all, sometimes it gets lonely out here in the World, Spiritually speaking, ;).
Appreciated Your Points, Samson.
gmik:
Very interesting thread. Just went to a funeral and they think the fun begins...He is looking down, he is playing baseball, he is etc etc....The dead are dead till the resurrection. ! Cor 15:25-28 and 53-56 is a good timeline.
Dawidos:
--- Quote from: gmik on September 16, 2010, 11:15:53 AM ---Very interesting thread. Just went to a funeral and they think the fun begins...He is looking down, he is playing baseball, he is etc etc....The dead are dead till the resurrection. ! Cor 15:25-28 and 53-56 is a good timeline.
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Gmik, this has become a big problem for me now. I believe in the Scriptures, but having empathy I have no heart to tell somebody stricken by personal tragedy like death of someone close to him/her that what they believe is a false doctrine. Try to imagine this kind of situation - you have to talk to a father whose daughter has been raped and murdered and he consoles himself, stating that his daughter is in Heaven now. But you berates him, stating she is completely dead, her body is now decaying in a grave, she has absolutely no consciousness at all, theoretically she ceased to exist. And her executioner is alive and at large.
What I say next might be shocking for some, but sometimes I think a lie is better than a truth. I don't think we should "enforce" that truth at any cost, we should wait for better opportunity or count on that God will lead this person to the truth at a proper time.
Gmik, please don't feel offended by my statement. I didn't mean to judge you and I don't imply you have no sensitivity and empathy inside of you.
God, bless you
Dawidos:
Janine, I see you understand me perfectly :) If this lie "helps" somebody to go through hard moments of his/her life, then maybe let him/her "live" in this lie, until good opportunity comes up to reveal the truth to this person.
Craig:
I would not correct the "little lie" at those times, but neither would I instigate or further it either. Sometimes silence is golden.
Craig
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