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intensity of the 'lake of fire'/intensity of chastisement
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: GaryK on September 17, 2010, 04:19:23 PM ---Hi Marques,
“How come, whenever someone asks about the LOF in the next age, they still talk as if it is a literal fire? ;D ”
Because:
"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge"
(Have you seen my new shoes? How do they look? I think they fit, what do you think?) ;D
--- End quote ---
Just trying to keep it light Gary, that's all.
--- Quote from: GaryK on September 17, 2010, 04:19:23 PM ---I suppose the explanation that fits is that I sometimes have doubts that God is working these ‘tough life events’ to mold this particular individual to be included in the 1st resurrection, resulting in the inevitable question…..then what? Hence, this topic. I see so very many folks who have such a tough walk in life and I feel so much empathy for them and look at my own little challenges and think ‘what a complainer I am’.
Hope this all contributes more sense for the topic start.
Thankful for the truth. Have a great weekend.
gk
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As far as your comments above, these passages come to mind:
1 Cor 10:12-13 Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall. No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.
As God continues to develop your character, He will place more of His Judgments on you but never too much for you to bear. Judgment takes a lifetime so patience is required. We are to be 'perfect as our Father in Heaven is perfect' but that happens over time.
Hope this helps,
Marques
GaryK:
--- Quote from: mharrell08 on September 17, 2010, 05:25:29 PM ---
--- Quote from: GaryK on September 17, 2010, 04:19:23 PM ---Hi Marques,
“How come, whenever someone asks about the LOF in the next age, they still talk as if it is a literal fire? ;D ”
Because:
"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge"
(Have you seen my new shoes? How do they look? I think they fit, what do you think?) ;D
--- End quote ---
Just trying to keep it light Gary, that's all.
--- Quote from: GaryK on September 17, 2010, 04:19:23 PM ---I suppose the explanation that fits is that I sometimes have doubts that God is working these ‘tough life events’ to mold this particular individual to be included in the 1st resurrection, resulting in the inevitable question…..then what? Hence, this topic. I see so very many folks who have such a tough walk in life and I feel so much empathy for them and look at my own little challenges and think ‘what a complainer I am’.
Hope this all contributes more sense for the topic start.
Thankful for the truth. Have a great weekend.
gk
--- End quote ---
As far as your comments above, these passages come to mind:
1 Cor 10:12-13 Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall. No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.
As God continues to develop your character, He will place more of His Judgments on you but never too much for you to bear. Judgment takes a lifetime so patience is required. We are to be 'perfect as our Father in Heaven is perfect' but that happens over time.
Hope this helps,
Marques
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Hi Marques,
I know you were keeping it light, as was I. ;)
Thank you for your words. They are encouraging, and appreciated.
gk
lauriellen:
""You have to keep the Faith,always.Because if the Truth that one receives is not put to use,many stripes can and will happen in the fire that purifies the person that has to learn Gods Truth.That is why we have to run the race like our lives depend on it,because,it does. Spirit is life[the real deal],flesh is death[for a season,temporal].That in and of itself is a hard pill for the world to swallow. ""
just when i think i have the 'no free will' thing straight in my head, i read something like the above quote and it all gets crisscrossed in my mind again.
Either it is God GIVING us the faith and God RUNNING THE RACE in us, or we are doing it ourselves by our own effort.....it can't be both ways.....how can we get many more stripes for 'not doing' something that is clearly IMPOSSIBLE for us to do on our own effort in the first place?!?
we can't even TRY to 'put to use' "what we are given" unless it is God giving us the WILL to do so, so why would be punished more for not doing what God did not intend us to do to start with?
Kat:
Hi Laurieellen,
Here are a few more things that I pulled out that I think should help your understanding.
WHO AND WHAT IS JESUS? & WHO IS HIS FATHER? . . . Nashville Conference 2007
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4472.0.html ------------------
Well yes, it’s like the old saying; act like it all depends on you and pray like it all depends on God. That’s the way you should live your life. He could not help but pray.
What appears to be contradictions are not contradictions, when you have a higher spiritual understanding of what it’s talking about. Let me show you a perfect example and it sounds like a contradiction, but it’s not.
Phi 2:12 “Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.”
Doesn’t that contradict this whole thing... we’re saved by grace and not of works? Now we’re to work out our own salvation? What is that? How do you explain that “Of Myself I can do nothing” (John 5:30)? And He said YOU can do nothing (John 15:5), to the apostles. Then Paul says “work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” Well it does sound like a contradiction. But read the next verse and He tells us why. "For" now that word always means ‘because' or it’s another word for because.
Phi 2:13 “For (because) it is God who works in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure.”
Some of you probably still don’t get the answer, but it is there. "Work out your own salvation," is not the gist of that saying. He is not saying, work out your own salvation(.) No, He’s saying “work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, that’s where the emphases is, on fear and trembling, not on work out your own salvation.
You work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, why? Because it all depends on God! If God doesn’t do it, it won’t happen, IT WON’T HAPPEN! So we live in fear and trepidation.
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It ALL depends on God, there’s nothing you can do. But YOU have to work it out. YOU have to get up and go to work. YOU have to do all this stuff.
v
So God makes you live this life. He makes you do all this, HE MAKES YOU DO IT. But not against your will. He puts you in circumstances and that’s the only way you can go. The ONLY way!
You think, 'I shouldn’t have done this or that.' That’s right you should think that way. You should think that... 'I shouldn’t have done that,' because then you're learning.
When you learn, you will then put that into practice. Because God doesn’t have you learn things so you can’t put them into practice. He has you learn things so you CAN put them into practice. But the only way you will learn them, is if you see how stupid it was, and you say if I had it to do over, I wouldn’t have done that. So YOU HAD TO DO THEM! Because that lead to a lot of trouble and pain and sorrow. But did you learn your lesson? 'Well yea.' Then don’t do it again okay, now their back on track.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2199.0.html ----------
COMMENT: "ALL is of God" (II Cor. 5:18, Rom. 11:36, etc.). Salvation is incorporated into the process of living. We are made to live. We have to live. We HAVE to make decisions and choices in life: it is forced upon us by the very nature of things. But although we are made to live out our individual experiences of life, behind it all is God. We "work out our own salvation with fear and trembling," not because we have the ability to do so independent of God, but rather because of what we are told in the next verse: "For [for means BECAUSE--here is the REASON we work out our own salvation]...For it is GOD which workies in you BOTH TO WILL AND TO DO of His good pleasure" (Phil. 2:13).
God be with you,
Ray
lauriellen:
thanks Kat.....i am always amazed at Ray's writings....like an endless spring of living water.....=).....
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