> General Discussions
Cock crows
booker:
I don't know if I'm violating forum rules.This whole talk about spirit and stuff it's pretty much all about faith.And all that we know about God is just based on a book.Without much extra-biblical sources to back it's claims.Scholars(both secular and religious) admit that the gospels are not eyewitness accounts but rather anonymous compositions. All i know is that God is better than a book.
The contradictions are not just between the gospels only.
1 Corinthians 14:33
For God is not the author of confusion
1 Corinthians 1:27
God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise.
God curse the earth?
Genesis 8:21
And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake.
Malachi 4:6
And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
Tempts?
"And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham." (GEN 22:1)
"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." (JAS 1:13)
Judas died how?
"And he cast down the pieces of silver into the temple and departed, and went out and hanged himself." (MAT 27:5)
"And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed out." (ACT 1:18)
If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
- John 5:31
I am one that bear witness of myself...
- John 8:18
I and my father are one.
- John 10:30
... I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
- John 14:28
There's just thousands of these contradictions.And God is saying he is not the author of confusion?
Kat:
Booker, I do not think you are comprehending what is being said here. Surely faith is big factor for all of us, it is a gift from God and it gives us the belief in the Scriptures we need. The "Spirit and stuff" is what teaches us and gives us the meaning behind what is being said and without the Holy Spirit helping us we are like the world and blind to the meaning in the Scripture. Every time you go to the world to feed on what they have to say, you are getting further from the truth.
So these contradictions that you have listed are only contradictions because there is not a proper understanding of many (if not all) Scripture. You have to know what the one is talking about in order to connect it to the others. These Scriputure do not contradict and Ray has spoken on many of them that you mention. But it would be useless to try and explain them to you, because you are convinced that the Bible is just a book.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2196.0.html -----
The faith is not for everyone. The person who is waiting for scientific proof that Jesus Christ was the Son of God, will be waiting till Kingdom come--however, not too much longer after that. I receive hundreds of emails from people who want me to prove to them that every word of the Bible is inspired by the Creator of the Universe, and then they want me to show them how to be healthy, happy and wealthy. Sorry, can't do it.
Read the material on our site. Read ALL of it. Maybe some of it will "rub off" on you. I personally have my faith strengthened by reading Paul's epistles. You see, I know in my heart of hearts that Paul is not a phony, a liar, a charlatan. Paul was one intelligent dude, and he emphatically believed the Scriptures. He believed Jesus. He performed miracles. He raised the dead. Most will say, "But I don't believe it." I know they don't. That's why I said "The faith is not for everyone."
One way to really come to believe in the Scriptures is not to speculate, and read the higher criticism of others aout them, but by LIVING THEM. When you live them, you believe them, and you start to understand them. Try it.
God be with you,
Ray
Dave in Tenn:
As has already been said, there isn't a single contradiction in the verses you've mentioned. Nor is there a contradiction in the thousands of places you believe there are. I'll admit readily that there are many apparent contradictions to the casual reader--especially when he or she is looking for them. Some can be resolved with something approaching study. The rest can be 'solved' with a spiritual understanding of scripture. In fact, it's the spirit led resolution of carnal contradictions that gives us the most beautiful truths in the scripture. For evidence, read the website.
I'll also freely admit that this knowledge is not in everyone. Jesus didn't teach in parables, for example, so that the masses could understand. He taught in parables so that the masses would NOT understand. This is central to the Gospel of the Kingdom. Many are called, few are chosen. I'm not ashamed of the Gospel.
I'm not sure what else we can tell you. You've dismissed apologetics. You seem to have little faith in necessity of the Spirit of God to understanding. You hang on to a notion of God, but appear ready to get rid of scripture. We have members who've gone through atheism, and agnosticism, but understand and believe the Truths of the bible.
We can't turn the forum into an attempt to carnally explain thousands of apparent contradictions. Ray has done a lot of work in that area, but surely he hasn't tackled each and every one. Like Jesus said, however, if you don't understand one parable, how are you going to understand them all? Understand one, and you're on your way.
booker:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on September 26, 2010, 09:21:29 PM ---Some can be resolved with something approaching study.
--- End quote ---
I've looked at the explanations of the contradictions.And they are no good,bad explanations.
The Council of Nicaea's(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea) purpose was the ensure that Jesus' appearance was Godlike and to remove all forms of mortality within him. Furthermore, it's primary purpose was also to bring together pagans and Christians in order to bring peace between the two large warring factions.All i know is that men decide what the Bible should contain.
Here is the link to the video i was talking about {outside teaching links not allowed}
mmijares:
Hi Booker
Most "inconsistencies", "contradictions", DO NOT touch any delicate doctrine at all. Take for example of your "cock crows". It doesn't matter whether once, twice, thrice the cock crows before Peter denies our Lord, what matters is Peter denied the Lord and it made him weep bitterly. THIS was the gist of the segment story of the Gospel. The "disagreement" and "contradiction" are there but the facts of the story are substantially the same.
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
[*] Previous page
Go to full version